Ron and Hermione supporting Harry WAS: Re: GoF fight between Harry and Ron

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No: HPFGUIDX 168956

> Alla:
> > But come to think of it, Harry indeed learned to share all 
> > information he has in HBP, did he not?
> > 
> > Do Rom and Hermione believe him? They just blow him off IMO. So, 
not 
> > the last time, I guess.
> 
> Montavilla47:
> Not exactly.  They sometimes blow him off and sometimes don't.  
> Ron cheerfully joins with Harry in vilifying Malfoy when they are 
> both in the hospital wing.  And when Harry gets the elves to 
> follow Malfoy around, Ron doesn't say boo about it being a 
> waste of time, or obsessive or anything.


Alla:

Well, I guess I believe that they did not support Harry enough when 
they should have been. Since we know that it turned out to be not a 
waste of time at all, but quite the contrary. IMO disaster could 
have been averted had people believed Harry that Malfoy was up to 
something.

But sure, agreed on those points. I still think it is wierd that 
they had their doubts of Malfoy is being up to something of all 
people - since they were all on the same page about Malfoy for five 
books IMO.

Making Harry a slave owner erm... elf owner, that was wierd too IMO, 
as an aside.


Montavilla47:
> None of them seems to mind particularly when Harry 
> eviserates Malfoy, either.  Hermione's only problem with it
> seems to be *which* spell Harry used, rather than the outcome.


Alla:

It is also my only problem ( which spell Harry used) <g>


Montavilla47: 
> Yes, I agree with you, Alla.  Although, I think there is a 
justification
> to be made for why Ron and Hermione were... shall we say 
> reluctant to follow Harry on his Draco obsession?
> 
> The last time they followed one of Harry's hunches, it turned out
> very badly.  Ron's still got the scars, we don't even know what
> kind of scars Hermione is carrying, and someone they knew and 
> care about is dead.

Alla:

Mmmmm, point well taken, I can buy it as justification, but not 
quite.

See below.

Montavilla47: 
> It does them real credit that they cared enough about Harry to 
> follow him to the MoM, even though Hermione had big doubts 
> about going.  But you can't get around the fact that it was a 
> disaster.  Yes, the Ministry acknowledged Voldemort's return and
> that's a big plus.  But they *didn't have to go* and the reason
> they did go was because they got carried away by Harry's 
> emotional needs.
> 
> If I were Ron or Hermione in HBP, I'd be putting the brake on 
> Harry's spider-sense, too.   


Alla:

Sure, it does them real credit that they chose to stick by Harry 
knowing what huge danger awaits them being friend of chosen one. I 
completely agree.

On the other hand, I do think that in the book it is sort of not 
really working after five years if they would suddenly decide they 
are afraid and do not want to do it anymore. Does not work as noble 
reason for me and all that.

Do you know what I am trying to say? Obviously in RL nobody can 
blame a person who was doing a dangerous job and decided to quit due 
to the increased danger to that person or the loved ones or due to 
any other reason.

But in the book, when Ron and Hermione IMO basically since the age 
eleven decided to stick by Harry and follow him into dangers, etc, 
if they would say - awwwww, we are scared Harry, we do not want to 
do it anymore. I don't know - my only answer would be - didn't you 
know what you signed up for, cowards?


Does it make sense? This is only how I feel about fictional heroes, 
obviously, nothing to do with RL, lol.

I think Ron and Hermione chose that kind of life, which again I 
certainly give them a huge credit for and now have an obligation to 
follow through. I mean, they do not,LOL, but for me at the same time 
they do. Ugh, cannot explain it better.


It is like, I don't know, say Merry and Pippin and especially Sam 
half way through decide they will not go with Frodo anymore, not 
because they part the ways in the book, but because they are scared 
and want to go home.

While it is certainly understandable for me, and maybe it would have 
even worked in more realistic story, I am afraid in phantasy it 
would make me disgusted with them. 


Oh, and there is another reason why this justification - that Ron 
and Hermione remember too well what happened in the ministry and 
want to avoid it does not really work for me.

I believe that their "rescue" mission gave more good things for 
resistance than bad things ( and I am huge Sirius fan and miss his 
character terribly), so not I do not think it was a disaster, but it 
is not like their previous missions went all smoothly before either.


In PS/SS, I sure applaud Harry decision to go after stone, but did 
he really need to?

In PoA once again, if we put life debt aside, which I agree would 
play a role at the end, I believe that Sirius and Lupin would have 
dealt with Peter quite nicely without Harry interference.

I know about not wanting them to be murderers, etc, I am just saying 
that it sounds really bizarre to me if Ron and Hermione would 
suddenly think that they need to disregard Harry telling them that 
Malfoy is up to something, because some things went terribly wrong 
in OOP. Ron was hurt in PS, CoS, PoA, it is not like it never 
happened before and it never stopped him.

I think that I am sticking with JKR needing nobody listen to Harry 
and let Malfoy to continue assasination attempts for story needs.

I think it again sacrifices Ron and Hermione loyalty ( not 
completely but IMO still does) for plot.

JMO,

Alla