Ron and Hermione supporting Harry WAS: Re: GoF fight between Harry and Ron

[hickengruendler]

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> Alla:
> 
> Dumbledore knew that Malfoy was up to something indeed. Did he know 
> what **exactly** Malfoy  was up too or was he just keeping a good 
> pocker face on the Tower? I am not really sure. I guess it all 
> depends on how much one thinks Snape told him <g>.
> 
> I am especially  not sure that he knew about cabinet.

Hickengruendler:

No, he didn't. (Neither did Snape, according to Draco, what a 
coincidence *g*). Dumbledore admitted this during his conversation 
with Draco on the Tower. However, neither did Harry, and I'm not sure 
how anyone could have found out, as long as they couldn't enter the 
RoR. Therefore given the knowledge they had regarding Draco's plan, 
Harry and Dumbledore were pretty much on the same level, except that 
Harry "only" suspected what Dumbledore knew, namely that Draco was 
behing the attacks that hurt Katie and Ron.

Alla: 
  
> But if he **indeed** knew about everything and indeed decided to 
let 
> DE enter in school, well sure then you are right - nothing would 
> have changed regardless of Ron and Hermione believing Harry, LOL.

Hickengruendler:

No, you are right, he didn't know this. He may have suspected 
something, but he didn't know anything for sure. (That or he lied to 
Draco on the Astronomy tower, which I don't think.) 

Alla:
 
> By the way, I know some people believed him - Arthur went to check 
> out too, I just was unpleasantly surprised that Ron and Hermione 
> were not on the same page with him - and it is not like any of them 
> liked Malfoy before and would be surprised that he is up to 
> something, you know?
> 
> I guess I was doubly surprised that they did not believe him not 
> just about any person, but Malfoy of all people.

Hickengruendler:

I wasn't unpleasantly surprised in the beginning. Like I said, it is 
their good right to disagree with him. (And Harry was blindsided by 
Malfoy as the obvious suspect already in coS. Therefore I don't think 
it's wrong to consider the possibility, that there's another 
dangerous person around, just like it was in CoS, if we consider 
diary Riddle a person.) But this started to change, as I already 
said, when they tried to find other explanations for *everything 
Draco did*. I think JKR overdid this here a bit. By the way, I 
particularly never understood the argument, why Draco should be too 
young to be a Death Eater with 16, particularly since Barty Crouch 
junior wasn't much older, when he went to Azkaban. I theorized before 
the release of HBP that he would join the Death Eaters as a revenge 
for Lucius' arrest, and this was exactly the argument I got from most 
fans. Therefore I can say I fully identified with Harry in this 
point. ;-)
  
Hickengruendler