Snape's involvement in the murder of Sirius

[juli17 at aol.com]

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Jen:
I'm particularly interested now in a piece of information  that
Kreacher reported which can only be second-hand:   "Kreacher's
information made [Voldemort] realize the one person whom you  would go
to any lengths to rescue was Sirius Black." (The Lost Prophecy  
Chapter, p. 831, Am. Ed.)

Carol:
So the information comes from  Kreacher but the inference is
Voldemort's. No Snape in sight.
>  
Jen:
> In one post I mentioned Snape having access to more  information than
Kreacher because of the fight with Sirius in GP when  Kreacher was 
missing.  For example, Snape learned that Sirius was  protective of
Harry and vice versa and that Sirius would be willing to  leave GP if 
Snape (or perhaps anyone) messed with Harry.  That last  bit wasn't 
integral to Voldemort's plot but it could have been important  
information to Snape.


Julie:
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this information is some closely held  secret
from Voldemort. Sirius is Harry's godfather. Until Harry was 15 mos old no 
doubt Sirius was very much in his life. Peter, for one, would know that at  
least
on Sirius's part the connection to Harry was very strong, basically like  
family.
There's no reason to doubt that Peter wouldn't have told Voldemort this,  and
he knew from the Shrieking Shack that Harry went from wanting to kill  Sirius
to believing his story, in effect accepting Sirius back into his life. And  
there's
also no reason to doubt Kreacher would have reported either freely or if  
asked
directly that Sirius and Harry had a very close relationship, so why  wouldn't
Sirius be protective of Harry and vice versa?
 
BTW, Dumbledore also knew Voldemort had information from Peter and  had
every reason to assume Voldemort could deduce through spys known and 
unknown that Sirius and Harry had resumed their original relationship as 
godfather/godson. So why not tell Snape he's free to pass on information  that
Sirius and Harry have become close, that Sirius is protective of Harry?  Both
assume it won't make any difference as Sirius is safely hiding at GP. And 
on the night in question add that neither believes there is any way for  Harry
to leave Hogwarts, since they certainly couldn't deduce that Thestrals  would
coincidentally show up right when Harry needed them.
 
Yes, it backfired, and in the aftermath Snape was able to make use of  the
incident to pad his cover in front of Bella and Narcissa. But I don't see  
that
there is any information Snape gave away that Voldemort couldn't have  gotten
from other sources, from Peter, to Kreacher, to students of DEs who  might
pass on school gossip to their parents. Thus I don't see any logical way  to
conclude that Snape somehow engineered a plot against Sirius that  wasn't
already in Voldemort's mind as a plot against Harry which just happened  to
bring down Sirius during its execution. That is, not unless Snape turns out  
to
be the real villain in DH, who engineered all the various plots that he's  
been 
accused of by those who want him to be evil. In which case the long  heralded
Harry-Voldemort confrontation will be nothing more than filler, as Snape  will
prove to be the brilliant evil tactician (sp?) and Voldemort nothing more  
than
an ineffective stooge who mindlessly aided all Snape's masterful  plans.
 
And that's the main reason I don't buy Evil-Without-One-Shred-Of-Deceny  
Snape.
(That reason, and bigger-stooge-than-Voldemort Dumbledore.) Because  then
UnrelentlesslyEvil!Snape takes over the story. While the irony might be  
amusing
(Snape haters getting exactly what they *don't* want, a Snape who ends as a 
bigger presence than Harry), I don't see it happening. 
 
 
Julie, who'd be thrilled if a DDM!Snape got a lot of page time, but knowing  
this 
flavor of Snape while critical to the outcome isn't the flavor of Snape who  
would
swamp the story with his presence.
 



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