Marietta/Did Snape set up the Pensieve scene?
Zara
zgirnius at yahoo.com
Sat May 26 02:35:16 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 169289
> Lizzyben:
> Hi, I've been wondering if maybe Snape deliberately let Harry look
> into the Pensieve in "Snape's Worst Memory." This would accomplish
a few
> things.
> Magpie:
> I have a problem with any plan where Snape intentionally lets Harry
see his
> underwear.
zgirnius:
I could not agree more. I think Harry seeing him in such a situation
is the last thing he would want!
> Lizzyben:
> He asks Draco to search that very
> area for the missing student, and tells Draco to notify
> him AT ONCE if Montague is found.
> Magpie:
> Draco doesn't act like Snape told him to
> search the bathroom that I remember.
zgirnius:
Indeed not. He implies that he has been searching the area with
Umbridge at her orders, and was sent by her.
> OotP, "Snape's Worst Memory":
> 'Well, Draco, what is it?' asked Snape.
> 'It's Professor Umbridge, sir - she needs your help,' said Malfoy.
> They've found Montague, sir, he's turned up jammed inside a toilet
> on the fourth floor.'
> Lizzyben:
>
> 3.) Snape goes to his lesson with Harry. Before the lesson, he
> removes the memories into the Pensieve in front of Harry, almost
> tempting his curiosity. The text says that he "lazily" raised his
> wand to begin the spell - every other time, Snape invokes the spell
> immediately, giving Harry no chance to prepare. Why is he
> acting "lazily" now? Because he's waiting.
>
> Magpie:
> Because they've been doing it for a while?
zgirnius:
Hee. However, the statement Lizzyben makes is simply false. In every
instance shown in the book, Snape gives Harry time and warning before
casting the spell:
> OotP, "Occlumency":
> "Brace yourself, now...Legilimens!"
> "Let's go again...on the count of three...one - two - three -
> Legilimens!"
> "We shall try again! Get ready now! Legilimens!"
> OotP, "Seen and Unforseen":
> "One - two - three - Legilimens!"
> "On the count of three, then," said Snape, raising his wand one
more. "One - two - (Harry is distracted by fears Snape is about to
make him pay for seeing some of his memories) "Legilimens!"
zgirnius:
It is the only time he is said to be acting 'lazily' in the course of
the lessons. He is also so described in CoS, "The Duelling Club",
when he tells Harry not to move because of the snake. It seems to me,
based on its earlier use, to suggest attitude on the part of Snape,
not that he is waiting for something. Also, for him to expect Draco
at exactly that moment is surely unreasonable even with the elaborate
plot hypothesized. It could take more or less time to find Montague,
and more or less time might be spent talking to him or attempting to
provide him first aid.
> Lizzyben:
> 4.) On cue, Draco bursts in to tell Snape that Montague has been
> found. Snape doesn't snarl at this intrusion, but remarks "very
> well", and heads out of the office - leaving Harry behind. Snape
> doesn't put back his memories, doesn't put away the Pensieve, and
> doesn't escort Harry out. I find this odd - Snape has accused Harry
> of rummaging through his office before, and closely guards his
> privacy. Why would he suddenly leave Harry alone there?
zgirnius:
Well, if it was all not an elaborate set up as you suggest, then
Snape has just learned that one of his Slytherin students has shown
up, possibly badly hurt, stuck in a toilet, after being gone for
quite some time. And no competent adult is there helping yet. To
leave with no further delay is reasonable.
Further, this same scenario already played out once before, when an
earlier lesson was interrupted by the screams or Professor Trelawney.
That time, Snape swept out to investigate, leaving Harry alone with
the Pensieve. Harry followed Snape out. So Snape had reason, based on
his past experience, to suppose that Harry would leave the office
when dismissed.
I also don't get where the idea is coming from that showing Harry
that James bullied Snape is a form of revenge for Snape. We, the
readers, know that seeing this scene was painful for Harry. But Snape
himself seems to expect Harry would be amused by his father's
actions. Of course, you say he was acting in that scene, and thus
perhgaps when he says "An amusing man, your father," but the
assumption that Harry is arrogant like his father, and thus would
find his arrogant behavior amusing, is an opinion Snape expresses
quite consistently from PoA onwards. I do think this is because he
believes it to be true, which means there is no way he would see
showing this memory as a revenge.
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