Slytherin as villains

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No: HPFGUIDX 179028

> Betsy Hp:
> Honestly, IMO no one has presented any *evidence* to show that 
> Voldemort's statement here is false.  There's been a lot of extra-
> textual *reasons* a reader could choose to see this statement as 
> false.  But there's no moment in the text where JKR *explicitly* 
> tells us Voldemort was lying to Lucius here.  And frankly, if this 
> were a lie, it's a massive one.  It's the sort of reveal that 
should 
> shake Harry preconceptions to the core.  That we never get that 
> moment (Slytherins *aren't* all baddies?!?) means that JKR didn't 
> write it which means it doesn't make any sort of story-telling 
sense 
> that Voldemort is lying in this scene.
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Alla:

Except of course there was no Slytherin on the battle field fighting 
against Hogwarts, except Draco and his goons. Textual enough for me.

And how is the leap made that it should shake Harry's preconceptions 
to the core? What if it is, just a fact, you know?

I mean, again do not get me wrong, as I said before I do not care and 
even if I fully agree that Voldemort lied, there is still nothing to 
argue against the fact that they LEFT.

Since I do not put a blame on Mcgonagall at all, this was certainly a 
bad thing in my mind for them to do ( as I mentioned, it does not 
overshadow the other Slytherins in my mind, BUT they left, they did 
not defend Hogwarts)

But no I do not share your certainty that he did not lie.

I thought that we are sort of supposed to not take on faith pretty 
much anything that Voldemort says.

I mean, that scene where we first learned that Voldemort is a liar, 
had no clue at all that Voldemort lied, no? ( Hagrid raising werewolf 
cubs)

It was not as significant, dramatic, but still.


I think he lied, because I saw no Slytherins on battlefield.

But even if he did not, does not change much for me.

JMO<

Alla.