Slytherin as villains / Ender vs. Harry SPOILERS for Ender's Game

[Carol]

No: HPFGUIDX 179035

Carol earlier:
> > But, Betsy, as we've tried to show you, this statement is not a
*fact.* It's your *interpretation*, and it appears to be a minority
view. There's no evidence to support the truth of the statement (it
could be one of many false statements made by characters that are
never directly contradicted) and all sorts of evidence that it may be
false.
> > <snip>
> 
Betsy Hp replied:
> Honestly, IMO no one has presented any *evidence* to show that
Voldemort's statement here is false.  There's been a lot of extra-
textual *reasons* a reader could choose to see this statement as 
false.  But there's no moment in the text where JKR *explicitly* 
tells us Voldemort was lying to Lucius here.  And frankly, if this 
were a lie, it's a massive one.  It's the sort of reveal that should
shake Harry preconceptions to the core.  That we never get that 
moment (Slytherins *aren't* all baddies?!?) means that JKR didn't 
write it which means it doesn't make any sort of story-telling sense 
that Voldemort is lying in this scene.

Carol again:
How can we present evidence for something that didn't happen? There
are no Slytherin students in the battle or with Voldemort. Not one.
The only three students named as not leaving with Filch or Slughorn
are Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle. The very fact that Voldemort says
they're *all* out there except Draco shows that he's lying. We know of
two exceptions, and two exceptions are enough to show that the
statement is false. "All" is not the same as "all but two." Nor is
there any indication that eleven-, twelve-, and thirteen-year-old
children are fighting. The youngest person mentioned is a sixth year.

Where is the evidence that any other Slytherin student disobeyed
McGonagall's order? It isn't there.

I can't prove a negative, that "the Slytherin students didn't fight
for Voldemort." All I can say is, there's no evidence, not one iota,
to show that they did. Not one name, not one example. We do, however,
see the slytherins leaving, and Draco and Crabbe stating that they
left the group. The implication is that the group went where it was
supposed to go, with Slughorn and Filch to the Hog's Head. "We 'ung
back, Potter," says Crabbe. "*We decided not to go*" (DH 628). Every
other Slytherin, by implication, went where they were ordered to go,
that is, to follow Filch to the RoR, with the Ravenclaws, Hufflepuffs,
and Gryffindors who are not fighting, either, behind them. And where
did they drop out to hide? Outside the RoR, which the other Slytherins
must have entered. *We*--Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle--decided not to go.
But they're the only ones who made that decision, using
Dissilusionment Charms to hide from the crowd and the teachers.

I'm also wondering how you reconcile "Let it not be forgotten that
Slytherin played its part" in the defeat of Voldemort with all of
Slytherin fighting *for* Voldemort? It makes no sense at all.

Carol, still waiting for a single piece of evidence that Voldie is
telling the truth