[HPforGrownups] Re: A Dark Glamour - Voldemort's Appeal - DDs Complicity

[Katie Spilman]

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To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:26:04 +0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: A Dark Glamour - Voldemort's Appeal - DDs Complicity
















  


    
            > > Pippin:

> > He thinks his blood status entitles him to the best of 

> > everything (peacocks!), and anyone so presumptuous as to stand 

> > between Lucius and the best of everthing needs to be...removed. 

> > He feels threatened by the growing power of Muggleborns and it 

> > feels good to strike back with a bit of Muggle torture.



Mike:

Really? You think a 15-17 year old Lucius felt threatened by 

Muggleborns? Felt they could keep him from gaining his rightful

place at the head of his family's empire? Can you tell by my 

question marks that I'm not seeing this connection?
Katie:I think you are not seeing this connection because Lucius is working very hard to not let anyone see this connection.  His false (pretend) pride in his blood status is used as a cover for his insecurities.  I think a main theme in this series is that there is no such thing as evil, just insecurity, which everyone has in them.



> > Pippin:

> > He flattered Voldemort's pretensions just as he flattered 

> > Fudge's, for the same reason. He needed them  for the messy job 

> > of removing people who didn't respond to threats and were too 

> > well-protected for poison or curses. 

> 

> a_svirn:

> Yes, but unlike Fudge, Voldemort had very real power, not just 

> pretentious. He was quite simply too dangerous to trifle with.

> More importantly, it was *Lucius's* job, not Voldemort's to weed 

> out the undesirables. I don't see how Lucius could have been 

> delusional enough to believe that Voldemort would do the dirty 

> work for him, when it was exactly the other way round. Lucius 

> doesn't come across as a brilliant mind, but he's not a troll

> either.



Mike:

Pippin, do you see Voldemort being flattered by anyone? The man (if 

it's fair to call him a *man*) has zero regard for his followers. As 

a_svirn said, Lucius is no idiot. So what would be the chance that 

Lucius would attempt the same ploy on Voldemort that he uses with 

Fudge. And a_svirn has another good point about *who* would have been 

expected to do the dirty work.


Katie:
Harry think of himself, Snape, and Tom as three of a kind, the lost boys of Hogwarts.   Harry joined the Dumbledore Club and Snape joined the Voldemort Club both looking for acceptance and a surrogate family.  I don't think it is unrealistic that Voldemort found a similar type of acceptance from his followers.  Sadly, because he has never known love he seeks power believing that will bring him love and happiness.  
The most noteworthy thing I think Lucius does in the entire series is pat young Snape on the back when he is a prefect and Snape is sorted into his house.  Lucius knows how to flatter and make people feel accepted, he also knows how to ostracize.  










      

    
    
















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