A Dark Glamour - Voldemort's Appeal - DDs Complicity

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 179093

> Mike:
<snip> Sirius told us that Voldemort had a lot 
> of people convinced he was right. And yet his parents, from 
Riddle's 
> generation, did not join. We don't know if Abraxas Malfoy joined, 
but 
> I'm thinking he didn't. So what made these non-joining pure-bloods 
> from Riddle's generation think it was a good idea for their sons 
and 
> daughter's to join?

a_svirn:
Perhaps the sons and daughters didn't ask their permission? From what 
Kreacher said it didn't look that Romulus consulted his parents much. 

> Mike:
> My perception is that the Blacks may have been old money (witness 
> the Tapestry) that could have fallen on harder times. Certainly not 
> to the degree of the Gaunts, but 12 GP is no manor in the country, 
> is it? So, possibly the Blacks were looking for a way to rebuild 
> their wealth when Voldemort came along.

a_svirn:
Well, I didn't get that feeling from No.12. Granted it looked 
somewhat dilapidated, but I think it was from neglect rather than 
from the lack of money. From what Sirius had said money had never 
been a problem for the Blacks. Besides, Romulus doesn't strike me as 
a rapacious young man. I think it was glory he was after. 

> > 
> > Carol responds:
> > At the time that, say, Lucius Malfoy joined the DEs, he probably
> > didn't expect to be treated like a House-Elf, and he certainly 
> > didn't find it degrading to bait and torment Muggles. He enjoyed 
> > cursing people with impunity, and that, I imagine, is one of the 
> > attractions to him of Death Eating, along with the pure-blood 
> > agenda that attracted young Regulus Black. <snip>
> 
> Mike:
> But the natural question is, why would he need to join the DEs to 
> practice his Muggle tormenting? Further, does his desire to have 
his 
> fun with Muggle torture outweigh the natural desire to be master of 
> your own domain, especially for a pseudo-aristocrat like Malfoy? 
Even 
> if he didn't know he would eventually be treated no better than a 
> House Elf, he was agreeing from the get-go to be an underling.

a_svirn:
Exactly. He was agreeing to be branded as other man's property, and 
had to grovel at Voldemort's feet and call him Master from the start. 
I mean, really, if one is treated as a house elf at some graveyard 
why shouldn't one expect the same treatment elsewhere? And does it 
really matter where? The point is one is no longer one's own master. 
And all this for the pleasure of cursing muggles with impunity? If he 
got such a kick out of it he could do it easily enough on his own or 
with a few of his cronies. In fact, he *did* it easily enough at the 
World Cup. Right under the noses of the Ministry 
> 
> 
> > Carol:
> > Lucius Malfoy loves being lord of the manor. He probably 
> > thought that by joining Voldemort, he could have both power,
> > or rather influence, and prestige without any effort beyond 
> > poisoning or cursing those who got in his way.
> 
> Mike:
> Doesn't joining someone else's organization mean you are no longer 
> the "Lord of the Manor"? Unless he was under the delusion that he 
was 
> joining as a junior partner to be eventually promoted to top dog 
upon 
> his *master's" retirement. Since that's not the type of vibe that I 
> got from Voldemort's recruitment angle, I'm thinking that would not 
> be a reasonable expectation for an intelligent man like Lucius 
Malfoy 
> to believe.

a_svirn:
Hear, hear! Then again, maybe wasn't really all that intelligent.