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> >>Betsy Hp:
> > Actually, I'd say romance was quite dead within the series. But I
> > think that has to do with the fear of female sensuality. It's hard
> > to get romantic with something you think is out to kill you. <g>

> >>Kemper now:
> I'm not sure what you mean. I'd say romance never really lived in   
> the series for it to die.  And thank God for that.

Betsy Hp:
Oh yes, I don't mean romance was there and JKR killed it.  It seems 
to be something she can't handle full stop. 

> >>Kemper:
> But as far as female sensuality is concerned, Ginny seems          
> comfortable in her sensuality and sexuality.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
Yes, and it's one of full attack mode.  When we're supposed to start 
thinking of her as a sexual person, we never see her that she's not 
attacking (usually physically, sometimes verbally) someone.  Because 
I think, for JKR, that's what female sensuality is: an attack.  And 
something that weakens men.

JKR needed Harry to have a girl he could make babies with for the 
epilogue, so she needed to invent Ginny.  And I do find it 
fascinating that she made Ginny as much like Harry as possible 
(though far more aggressive, because female).  But then as soon as it 
was established that Ginny and Harry would willingly breed, Ginny is 
whisked away.  Because in the end, she'd only weaken Harry.  
*Especially* if they had sex.  (Though Ginny is hyper-alert to 
protecting Harry against other aggressive females.  Hence her making 
sure Cho doesn't lead Harry to the Ravenclaw dorms.) 


> >>Betsy Hp:
> > <snip>
> >  And so a mother sends her son off to certain death. And is she   
> > ever proud that he's willing to die for his cause. That Lily is   
> > herself dead is probably a help. I mean, the sooner Harry dies,   
> > the sooner Lily will see him again. But it's an odd position for 
> > a mother to take.
> >
> >  ... Lily, by being proud that Harry's heading off to die, is the
> >  better mother. Which, yeah, I find a bit odd and not a little
> >  perverse.

> >>Kemper now:
> I see Lily more as Mother Mary in this scene.  It is what I imagine
> she would say to her son as he carried his cross.  (I'm not trying 
> to equate a Harry is Jesus thing)

Betsy Hp:
Ooh, ick, really?  She was there, wasn't she?  In the end?  And I 
don't recall her cheering Jesus on.

> >>Kemper:
> Lily and Mary don't send their son off to die, their sons have     
> chosen this.

Betsy Hp:
Right.  Just as Draco chose to serve Voldemort, making Bellatrix the 
better mother-figure in that scene.  Just as suicide bombers have 
chosen to become martyrs.  So their proud mothers are also good 
mothers per the series I suppose. 

> >>Kemper:
> Harry dieing to save others is different than Draco dieing to serve 
> Voldemort.

Betsy Hp:
Well, yes, there's definitely a better cult of personality in these 
books.  Dying for Dumbledore is much better than dying for Voldemort. 
<eg>

> >>Kemper:
> I don't think Lily anticipates Harry's death as she looks at him
> hungrily (a word which I find to be a bit perverse but whatever) as
> though she will soon starve from the sustaining food that is the   
> sight of her son.

Betsy Hp:
Yeah, that word and her flipping her hair was an odd descriptive 
choice, IMO.  (I kind of boggled at it myself.)  I imagine that Lily 
was eager for Harry to die so she could then touch him hungrily.  But 
then, that's mothers for you!  (Seriously, that entire scene squicked 
me on so many different levels.)

Betsy Hp