[HPforGrownups] JKR, the female and facism (wasRe: WAS Slytherin as villains...

[Kemper]

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>  Betsy Hp:
>  The hungy look is what I found icky. Though combining it with
>  personal grooming did push things for me. (What was JKR thinking
>  there?) And yeah, I'm going to say her "so brave" remark was meant
>  to be encouraging. Especially combined (heh) with all of her boys
>  telling Harry how cool and easy death is.

Kemper now:
Harry called her boys for emotional support.  Not for rahs.


>  Betsy Hp:
>  Sure, Lily wants her baby to live. Her full grown son? I didn't see
>  her trying to figure out another way, so I'm going to have to go
>  with, positive about the death thing.

Kemper now:
Yes, her son.  And full grown?  No... If Harry was Lily's age when she
died, then maybe I can see her being ok with a twentysomething Harry's
death.

I still think Lily knew Harry wouldn't die.  Why else look so
hungrily?  (By the by... is there a different British
interpretation/definition for 'hungrily' in this sense?  God, I hope
so.)


>  > >>Kemper earlier:
>  > Draco is different. Draco and martyr are sent out to kill. Draco
>  > recognizes his error and wants out. He realizes his mom is right.
>  > Narcissa as Mother knows best.
>
>  Betsy Hp:
>  And this also condemns Draco. It's tied in, I think, with him using
>  her wand. Draco has not become a man because he's too dependent on a
>  woman is how I read it. (Another example of the danger of the female
>  to the male.

Kemper now:
I don't quite see the condemnation.  Please explain further.  I see
son using mother's wand as female power but am not sure of the danger.


>  Betsy Hp:
>  Harry dies to kill Voldemort, which was what Dumbledore wanted.

Kemper now:
Killing Voldemort saves the Wizard and Muggle world  Yes, Dumbledore
wanted that, but so does Harry.


>  Betsy Hp:
>  (And also? Kudos for the <e-er>. Took me a bit (just a bit!) to
>  figure it out. <rbg>)

Kemper now:
grin

>
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/179112
>  > >>Magpie:
>  > > I find the depiction of sex quite weird in the Potterverse.
>  > > <snip>
>
>  Betsy Hp:
>  There's something almost... repressed about it, isn't there.
>  ...Harry seems genuinely innocent. And Ron is, for the
>  most part, quite ignorant (ignorant enough for little sister Ginny to
>  give him a pat on the head).

Kemper now:
I though it odd that Harry was not struck by Fleur.  But he's not
innocent. Maybe he's bi.

Ron, though ignorant, desperately wants to be learned in the carnal.
It is not hard to imagin him in revelry flying his freak flag with
someone and (h)Uranus.

Kemper