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No: HPFGUIDX 179300

> a_svirn:
<SNIP>
> So you see it's not jut that he is secretive and manipulative. I 
> don't mind that, exactly. What I mind is that his manipulations 
are 
> completely and utterly pointless, not to say counter-productive. 
It 
> makes the reading of DH an exercise in frustration.

Alla:

Right, well I understand all that and agree with you to the point. 
To me the reason why it works is NOT because I find Dumbledore's 
manipulations to be productive, quite the contrary. I mean, it 
achieved the goal of Harry's survival for sure, but it did all those 
bad things that you named.

The reason why it works for me is because IMO in **Dumbledore's 
head** all those plans sounded as perfectly reasonable and logical, 
no? And then he started to make them to come true, in secrecy?

Does that make sense? He told Harry to let only Ron and Hermione 
know? Well, despise as I am his actions post DH, if I give him 
benefit of the doubt, maybe he was also traumatised by Peter's 
betrayal and that he was hoodwinked, etc. Maybe he felt that nobody 
BUT Harry's closest friends can be trusted, just in case there is 
another Peter in the order?

I am NOT defending Dumbledore on this, far from it, just saying that 
if all those plans made sense in his head, it makes sense to me that 
he went forward with them and makes even more sense that he went 
forward with them in total secrecy as he always did.

He did not prepare Order? Oh YES he did not, but kids have to take 
the first seat and that is the only explanation I am going with, 
since none other works for me here. In kids' stories adults have to 
be either incapable to take charge at the end or dissappear 
completely, are they not?

Well, here we have Order who knows nothing, hears nothing, sees 
nothing, right?

Go, teens, have fun on your lovely Quest. 

 
> Alla:
> When it stops working for me is when it is viewed in some sort of
> positive light - that Dumbledore had some sort of good reason to do
> so. THEN it can only be a plot hole for me.
> 
> a_svirn:
> You mean he played with other peoples' lives for no better reason 
> that he enjoyed it? That spells something more sinister than 
> just "secretive". And even "manipulative". <SNIP>

Alla:

Well, yeah, played with other people's lives. I am not sure that we 
know that he enjoyed it much. So, I think I will stick with 
secretive and manipulative for now :)



 
> a_svirn:
> Certainly the last two of them weren't total fun to watch. Can you 
> imaging anything sillier than a thousand spectators gaping at the 
> serene lake's surface for more than an hour?
>

Alla:

LOLOLOL. I think she meant fun to watch for the reader. I certainly 
do not think it was much fun for spectators, but for me as a reader 
it was indeed.

JMO,

Alla