Fidelius Charm for Voldemort?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 179364

--- "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Mike wrote:
> 
> > How about casting the Fidelius over the Gaunt hovel? ...,
> > Tom Riddle was the last of the Gaunts. Doesn't that make 
> > him the owner of the shack, ...? So what would stop Riddle
> > from hiding the ring in the hovel and putting the same
> > type of Fidelius ...
> > 
> Carol responds:
> Setting aside your propriety idea, which (sorry, Mike) 
> doesn't have any canon basis that I can see, I don't think 
> that Voldemort saw any need to cast a Fidelius charm,... 
> Obviously, as Fliss pointed out, Voldemort doesn't trust 
> anyone else enough to tell them ... he didn't think he needed
> to make himself his own Secret Keeper through a spell since 
> he was already his own secret keeper by default as the only 
> one who knew the secret. ...
> 

bboyminn: 

One minor point on the Gaunt shack, it has been in muggle
knowledge for many many years. I would be a bit odd if it
just disappeared one day. Perhaps magic could overcome that
complication, but I'm not so sure.

Take for example 12 Grimmauld Place, according to Sirius
that place has always had every conceivable protection
known to wizard-kind placed on it. It has always been 
completely unknown to muggles. Though, I doubt that it
was equally completely unknown to wizards, and it was
very unlikely that the Black's needed a Fidelius Charm.

The point is that the Black House has always been invisible
to muggles, whereas the Gaunt house as always been
known to muggles and might have raise questions if it
suddenly vanished. Again, it's a very small point.

Still I agree with Carol's central point, I don't think
Voldemort thought he needed the Secret Keeper Charm. For
one thing, I think was are seeing a bit of Wizardly 
Psychology. In SS/PS we see all the traps set but they 
are not absolute traps. They are designed for a clever
wizard to get through. In a sense, its a game of who
can outsmart who. And Voldemort certainly thinks he can
outsmart and out-wizard anybody and everybody.

Also note the Tri-Wizards task, the most prominent and
historical is the Sphinx trap. This is typical Sphinx;
a wizard guards a treasure with a Sphinx because he is 
sure no wizard is clever enough to outwit a Sphinx riddle.

Look at the enchantments around the Locket/Cave. Again, it
is a game of one wizard outsmarting another, and one wizard
believing he is just too clever to be outsmarted. This is
classic stuff here. I think Voldemort was just carrying on
that bit of wizard psychology. 

> Carol Continues:
>
> BTW, bboyminn said upthread that the Fidelius Charm on the
> Potters broke when they died, which is also what Harry 
> guesses, but that idea s disproved ...
> We're back, IMO, to the idea of Fidelius meaning "faithful."
> ("Fidelis" = faithful, loyal, true.) Pettigrew has not been
> faithful. He has broken faith with the Potters ...

bboyminn:

Yes, I did mention the charm breaking when the Potter's died,
but I'm pretty sure I also mentioned 'Breach of Fidelity'
as a possibility, and historically, I have been strongly
arguing for the 'Breach of Fidelity' case for years.

I do think the Breach of Faith ended the Charm, but consider
that when Peter told Voldemort, Voldemort was then in on the
secret and that secret would therefore NOT be hidden from 
him. He could see the Potter because he had been given the
Secret. None the less, I am more strongly in favor of 
'Breach of Faith' killing the charm.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn