Dumbledore and Harry was: Re: Fees for Harry

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No: HPFGUIDX 179391

> Pippin:
> LOL! "He could hear her screaming from the upper floor" "listening
> with faint amusement to her attempts to barricade herself in" --
> Voldemort didn't  see where Lily went, he *heard* her.  She 
> panicked. The cloak wouldn't have prevented that.

Alla:

OF COURSE this is no guarantee, but I see no reason why it would not 
have worked for one of them. Who says that if Lily saw cloak lying 
around, she would not have put it on herself after she gotten over 
her panic, which she obviously did enough to stand in front of Harry 
ready to die IMO.

I just do not share the CERTAINTY that it would not have helped, not 
saying that it definitely would.

 
> Alla:
> > I am afraid I remain very convinced that Potters wanted 
Dumbledore to 
> > stay as far away from their son's future.
> 
> Pippin:
> They didn't quit the Order and they lent Dumbledore the cloak  they 
> did not think they would need because they  trusted in the spell 
which 
> *Dumbledore* said was their best chance.

Alla:

Eh, again the degrees. I am not saying that they distrusted 
Dumbledore enough to think him as next voldemort, just enough to 
reject his offer to be SC and enough to not appoint him their son's 
guardian.

Pippin:
  Nowhere does 
> canon say that they rejected Dumbledore as secret keeper because
> they didn't trust him. It was more about showing faith in Sirius 
than 
> in doubting Dumbledore, IMO.

Alla:

Well, to me it is sort of obvious. If one rejects someone who is 
going to hold your life in your hands and everything will be 
depending on that person, yeah I make an inference that one does not
trust that person. IMO of course.

 
> Pippin:
> What authority did Sirius have to go after Pettigrew? And did he
> plan on taking Harry with him, like Dumbledore would have taken
> Ariana when he and Grindelwald staged their uprising?
<SNIP>

Alla:

I think that if Hagrid did not take Harry away from Sirius, he would 
not have gone after Pettigrew.

I certainly HOPE that he did not plan on taking Harry with him to do 
that.

But yes, I believe that he went after Pettigrew after he had nothing 
else left to hold dear. I realise that this is an inference as well, 
but to me the chronology is there. Hagrid comes to take Harry, Sirius 
argues, Hagrid wins and THEN Sirius goes after Pettigrew.

Foolish thing to do obviously. Understandable to me but foolish, but 
yeah I sure blame Dumbledore for not going there himself and talking 
to Sirius.

Pippin: 
> It can't be in Harry's interest to live in a world dominated by 
Voldemort.

Alla:

Hmmmm, no it can't be of course. But can it be in HARRY's interests 
to die for the world free of Voldemort?

It is certainly in world's best interests - greater good and all 
that, but Harry's? I do not think so.


Pippin:
> And let's not forget, Lily and James were proud of what Harry had 
done 
> and supportive of what he meant to do, which is no more creepy, 
IMO, 
> than any other parents sending their children to war. 

Alla:

You confuse me with someone else Pippin dearest :) ( I am typing it 
with the smile, not sarcasm). Nowhere did I say that anything 
occurred in chapter 34 was creepy, I cried almost the whole chapter.

OF COURSE they were supportive. They were supportive of their hero 
son, who is scared and agonising over HIS decision to die for the 
world.

I see nothing creepy in that at all. But nowhere do I see any 
indication that they **like** what Harry has to do. I see them saying 
being proud, etc, as any parent IMO would have said to the child or 
teenager who made a difficult, horrible decision.

I especially do not see any indication that they liked what 
Dumbledore did to Harry. I think JKR rather wisely avoided writing it.

Because I see Harry's sacrifice as his independent decision, I 
totally have no problem his loved ones supporting him. There is no 
Dumbledore among his loved ones after all. That's how I read it.

 
> Alla:
> > Oh and even at the end of DH we did not see blood protection 
working, 
> > no?
> 
> Pippin:
> We do see it work.  Voldemort did not  attack until the
> protection was deliberately broken, despite knowing when and where 
to 
> strike.

Alla:

I meant protecting Harry when it was not broken.

Alla