Marietta and her mother WAS : Re: Family and Other Loyalty

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 177818

> > 
> > Magpie:
> > > The above scenario was the one that I imagined when I read the 
> > story, 
> > > that people at the Ministry were leaned on and whichever ones 
> were 
> > > weaker were going to pressure their kids. Umbridge could also 
> have 
> > read 
> > > mail from Marietta, I suppose, and gotten a clue.
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Oh? Now it is a massive pressure in the Ministry? I mean, not 
only 
> > on Marietta's mother? Where is it in OOP? I mean, if we are 
arguing 
> > only from what is in the book?
> 
> Magpie:
> First I said this was "what I imagined" so obviously there's 
nothing 
> in canon. I also didn't say anything about "massive pressure." We 
> know Umbridge works at the Ministry, Cho mentions Marietta's 
mother 
> working there as a motivation for her to say something, and give 
what 
> we see of Umbridge it seems perfectly in character for her to get 
the 
> word out to the people who work at the Ministry. Somebody like 
Amelia 
> Bones and Arthur Weasley obviously wouldn't be affected.
> 
> Or maybe Marietta just decided herself it was a conflict of 
interest 
> against her mother. I don't know. I just take Cho's given 
motivation 
> as having some truth in it since it's the only one I've got. 


Alla:

Sorry, I took the people at the ministry were leaned on and 
translated in massive pressure. Sorry. But you were imaginng 
pressure on other employees, no? Or did "leaned on" means something 
other than pressure in this context?


And actually, there IS no motivation explicitly mentioned for 
Marietta's betrayal at all, no?

I mean, what Cho says is a supposed reason for Marietta not wanting 
to be here, NOT to go to Umbridge.

I mean, am I mixing up my pages again? I do know OOP the worst, so 
that is possible.  Is there something said by Cho after the fact 
except her defending Marietta to Harry about why she did it?


That is again just adds to me thinking that Marietta's mother could 
have been just an excuse for her not wanting to be there.


And of course by the way it may not have been, I just see it as a 
very valid possibility,

Certainly no less valid   IMO than Marietta's mother supposedly 
writing to her and Umbridge getting a clue of this.




 
> Magpie:
> I said those were things I imagined to fill in the blanks. That's 
> obviously not what I'm referring to by things that were in the 
book. 
> I meant that I don't think Marietta's mother working for the 
Ministry 
> being tied to her motivation was put in as a lie to readers. 
That's 
> the part that isn't a lie. The other stuff was just the scenario I 
> imagined to fill in the rather huge gap between what Cho says, 
what 
> Marietta does and what actually happened. There is no canon for 
that. 
> We don't know.


Alla:

 Not lie, again definitely NOT lie. Just not sure that Marietta was 
motivated by it, but sure that her mother works in the ministry.

Although maybe she was, just do not see anything in the book that 
there was a pressure.

I **can** buy that Marietta dreamt it up - that she thought that her 
mother was threatened all on her own, but I certainly see no 
indication of pressure on the Ministry employees who disagreed with 
Umbridge.

Of course I can be wrong.

JMO,

Alla