Marietta and her mother WAS : Re: Family and Other Loyalty

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 177817

> Alla:
> 
> Precisely. We have **no idea** what happened. I do not think 
> Marietta's mother had been a lie, but could have been an excuse? I 
> think so, yes. Especially since unless I remember it incorrectly 
> Marietta does not say a word about her mother when Cho talks about 
> her, no?


> Doesn't she not confirm what Cho says even with the head's nod?

> 
> I can totally see how she could have just mentioned her mother to 
> Cho as excuse of not going, but then pushy Choe overpowered her 
> regardless and Marietta just did not dare to repeat it with so many 
> people here, because somebody's parent may actually work with her 
> mother and call Marietta on it.
> 
> Speculation? Sure, but no more speculation than the scenario you 
> describe IMO.

Magpie:
Yes, mine's speculation too, but one that takes the things we're told 
and puts them together in what is for me a straighter line than 
imagining all this. They could both be wrong, but this one's more 
complicated for me to follow--Marietta's mentionign her mother, Cho's 
got the wrong idea, she's afraid to mention it again. All I know is 
her mother apparently works for the Ministry and that's the only hint 
of motivation I'm given in canon, so it's the only one the author 
gave me without giving me any true details about what happened. 

If you dismiss that as an excuse there is no motivation so it's just 
that much more of a mystery. Not wanting to "stand up" to the 
Ministry is reason to not go to the DA, not reason to tell anybody 
else about it, and I'd want to know why somebody who's trying not to 
stand up is standing up. Marietta's mother gives me an easier way to 
just parallel Cho and Marietta's mother.
> 
> 
> Magpie:
> > The above scenario was the one that I imagined when I read the 
> story, 
> > that people at the Ministry were leaned on and whichever ones 
were 
> > weaker were going to pressure their kids. Umbridge could also 
have 
> read 
> > mail from Marietta, I suppose, and gotten a clue.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Oh? Now it is a massive pressure in the Ministry? I mean, not only 
> on Marietta's mother? Where is it in OOP? I mean, if we are arguing 
> only from what is in the book?

Magpie:
First I said this was "what I imagined" so obviously there's nothing 
in canon. I also didn't say anything about "massive pressure." We 
know Umbridge works at the Ministry, Cho mentions Marietta's mother 
working there as a motivation for her to say something, and give what 
we see of Umbridge it seems perfectly in character for her to get the 
word out to the people who work at the Ministry. Somebody like Amelia 
Bones and Arthur Weasley obviously wouldn't be affected.

Or maybe Marietta just decided herself it was a conflict of interest 
against her mother. I don't know. I just take Cho's given motivation 
as having some truth in it since it's the only one I've got. 

 
> Magpie:
>  I just naturally put 
> > together the few things I have been told to make it work. In this 
> case 
> > there doesn't seem to be enough reason to assume that anything's 
> been 
> > put forward as a lie.
> 
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> You naturally put together a few things to make what work? All that 
> pressure on Marietta's mother? Where is it except what Cho said?
> 
> Where are all those pressures on ministry employees to support 
> Umbridge?

Magpie:
I said those were things I imagined to fill in the blanks. That's 
obviously not what I'm referring to by things that were in the book. 
I meant that I don't think Marietta's mother working for the Ministry 
being tied to her motivation was put in as a lie to readers. That's 
the part that isn't a lie. The other stuff was just the scenario I 
imagined to fill in the rather huge gap between what Cho says, what 
Marietta does and what actually happened. There is no canon for that. 
We don't know.

-m