JKR's liberal Worldview (DD gay etc..)

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Tue Oct 23 22:52:52 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 178360

All the snips here are from Bart who said: 

<<You realize, of course, that the term "homophobia" is based on the 
left-wing concept that anybody who does not agree with them politically 
is mentally ill.>>
 
No, it's an accurate description. Right-wingers are 'fearful' of Gays and believe that somehow gay people will bring down civilization if to numerous or powerful. An assumption that is hard to separate from the same illogic that was used against blacks in the 50-60's. America will never turn gay anymore then it will black. Demographics do matter however as Israel¢s fear of being out populated by the Isreali Arabs in their midst is logical.
 
A phobia is an irrational fear. If having a phobia made you nuts Ron would have been locked up for his agoraphobia (fear of spiders (I'm not sure of spelling)). Only the most deliberating fears (such as fear of water) make you sick enough to be mentally ill. The left implies the typical illogic of the right with the term homophobia, not mental illness.
 
Like most liberals I question the mental capacities of those on the far right. Not their mental stability. I hope one day that instead of awaiting miracles that they find the reason of science. 
 
In my good book a well lead life is a life of reason, not amens. I believe based on reason that organized religion of any sort is a way to keep the downtrodden down for they can rely on miracles instead their own hard effort for progress.
 
I do believe that JKR is a religious person which means she is not as extreme as myself, but her worldview is definitely Liberal.
 
She presents a world in which the powerful (pure-blood) are fearful of losing power to the growing population of the 'immigrant' muggle born. They are fearful of losing their privileges and power to the 'new comers'. In the same way in which the powerful English speaking majority in America is fearful of losing power to the increasing Spanish speaking minority. Or the French fear their growing Arab minority. 
 
It¢s clear to me that the DE in Harry Potter reflect the extreme hard illogical right, and their extreme methods. 
 
They are not just representative of the Nazi's but of the worst excesses of the right. There's a reason why JKR initially called the Death Eaters the Knights of Walpurgis. They are an obvious parallel to the Klu Klux Clan. JKR's work is clearly a work of the left. 
 
Perhaps the right has a 'reason' to burn it. As any author is she is trying to promote her own values and Harry Potter has given her a huge soap box to do so on.  And these for the most part are liberal secular values.  

<<As far as Dumbledore being gay, well, I would have said something like, 
"What the characters do in between chapters is their own business." (not 
original; I THINK it was Dickens who first used it, but I'm too lazy to 
look it up). As has been pointed out, there is nothing in canon which is 
made more clear by Dumbledore being gay, and no indication that he is. 
Now, I would not be surprised if Professor Sprout and Minnie the Cat are 
doing something on the side. And if Flitty were gay, JKR would 
DEFINITELY be accused of stereotyping.>>
 
Ah, but if she had done this, she would have been compromising her own values. It clear that JKR thinks that Gay is OK and she wants the world to know it. I'm sure she's made Warner Brothers mad (though they would never say it) as the gross of the next two movies will definitely be hurt.
 
And many points are made clearer in canon by the revelation, I for one did not truly understand one Dumbledore seemed to compromise their values for a new friend, but it makes sense for a bed-mate. After all even Ann Coulter is dating a cursed-liberal now. 
 
Most people Gay or straight will compromise their values for a good roll in the hay. DD learns the danger of that. But also the power of love from his relationship with GG and also because of what happened with Ariana. And yes Flitwick would be a stereotype, but then JKR could have made Luna a lesbian which would have been worse. 
 
<<New York, for many years, had a mayor named Ed Koch. He pretty much 
wanted two things: one was to be mayor, and the other was to be governor 
(his overreaching for the latter ended up having him lose the former, as 
well). There is a widespread belief that he is a non-practicing gay man; 
as near as anybody can tell, he's completely chaste (which, by the way, 
is the correct term for not having sex; celibacy is not getting 
married). I can see Dumbledore as an Ed Koch type; he gets off so much 
on power and manipulation that, regardless of who he is attracted to, he 
doesn't really need sex.>>
 
I can see the connection between Ed Koch and Dumbledore. If Ed is gay (and there is no proof that he is) then he is example of a gay person applying 'reason to his impulses'. In other words although he might be genetically gay he chooses not to be, but instead chooses to be caste. The RR often says that 'gayness is a choice', I will admit that Koch might be an example that partially makes their point.  
 
I kind of think this is what JKR implies that Dumbledore does after the disaster of GG.  A man who decided that despite his impulses he needed to apply reason to control them for the good; or maybe like many after his great loves death  (or in this case GG being imprisoned for life; which for all purposes is the same thing) he could never bring himself 'to love another.' 
 
BTW do you think this is one reason DD was interested in the Philosophers¢ Stone, so both he and GG could outlive GG sentence and have hope of seeing each other again. Although in battle the PP would be an effective counter to the EW. After all someone sentenced to 125 years to life could theoretically be freed after the125 years? Perhaps DD defeated the Elder Wand with the Philosopher¢s Stone.
 
A good fan fic idea, if I were partial to writing a gay fic myself, which I¢m not. Perhaps DD defeated
 
~ DA Jones
 
A liberal who supports the Iraq war. Unlike God we are proven to exist.

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