[HPforGrownups] Re: Dark Book - Blood and Cruelty

[Sali Morris]

No: HPFGUIDX 177210

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>   Steve:
> > This is classic bullying behavior. Tease and taunt
> > and poke and prod and provoke beyond endurance and
> > when the victim defends themselves, the bully is
> > always the first to cry foul. Yet, the victim as
> > suppose to quietly endure the bullying and stick to
> > the Code of the Playground.
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> lizzyben:
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> Actually, it isn't. Snape bullies his students because he is the one
> w/the power over these children. Fred & George bully first-years when
> they give them candy that will make their noses bleed. Draco "bullies"
> or more like, "attempts to bully" the Trio, and is quickly pwned. He
> never wins!
>  Sali:
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> But it's not all about Harry or the Trio. They have found an effective
> method of fighting back, whether or not that should be considered
> appropriate. I think that if we look at Neville, particularly in PS/SS, it
> is clearer that what Draco is engaged in is bullying. I don't have my copy
> of the book to hand but I'm thinking particularly of the time when Neville
> arrives in the Gryffindor common room a victim of a leg-locking curse (or
> something). And wasn't there a point at a Quidditch match where Neville
> takes on Crabbe and Goyle (who are Draco's goons) and gets knocked
> unconscious? It's not Gryffindors winning those encounters. And just because
> Draco's bullying does not succeed so much with the Trio does not mean that
> he is not attempting to bully them or that he does not succeed in bullying
> others. This is not the confident Neville of DH. The Neville of the early
> books is very much a victim.
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>  And I don't see the taunting and insulting others in the way that Draco
> regularly does as particularly benign. It is not a crossing of quick wits in
> the way that more adult arguments/disagreements are (let's face it, Harry
> and Ron are not always the speediest on the uptake). Whether or not he hits
> his designated target, his words are intended to hurt and undermine. He
> finds weak spots and exploits them. He just has to stick the metaphorical
> knife in. Leaving aside retaliation, whatever the form, it's most often
> Draco getting in first with his, for the most part, unprovoked digs and
> sneers and taunts. And when he succeeds with violence (against Harry on the
> train), he derives satisfaction from it. No, he does not necessarily deserve
> physical punishment at the hands of his peers. Disciplinary action on the
> part of those in authority would be more appropriate. But I also don't think
> he deserves sympathy in this respect. Verbal bullying and verbal harassment
> should be taken seriously, in my view, and it isn't always. Yes, this is a
> vested interest issue for me, sorry!
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>  I know this is only my opinion, but sometimes I see this issue of verbal
> harassment being drowned out in the storm of whether or not the physical
> response is appropriate (which I think we could all argue/discuss at length
> without coming to an agreement :) but then again, there's no fun in
> agreeing…). I would like to know if those of you who are strongly against
> the Gryffindor's physical reactions to Draco have any issues with the verbal
> harassment. In other words, opinions on the action itself, divorced from the
> reaction. Also, I'm interested in opinions on what is considered to be the
> appropriate, effective reaction to Draco's verbal bullying given that 1.
> physical retaliation is inappropriate and 2. 'ignore it and it will go away'
> is ineffective.
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>  Just because I find the verbal aspect more interesting than the physical.
>
>  Sali
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