Dark Book - Blood and Cruelty/ Draco

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No: HPFGUIDX 177303

> > >>Alla:
> > So, if we are back to Hogwarts, I will just say what Amy said 
for   
> > the most part, I especially liked  that popularity does not 
equal   
> > that other word.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> I missed that, what other word?  BMOC or big man on campus?  
Actually 
> those two words are interchangable.  And they're not actually a 
> commentary on someone's personality.  As Harry can be an example 
of.  
> Again, Harry doesn't seek to be nor work to maintain his status 
> as "best known boy at Hogwarts".  He's *annoyed* by the girls 
chasing 
> him.  But the fact is, he's well known and girls chase him.  <SNIP>

Alla:

Notoriety, I think? Harry is well known, yes, but to me popular 
means **likable** all the time and both school and WW turns out on 
him at the first sign that they could.

So, again, do not see him as oh so likable at least half of the time.



> Betsy Hp:
> Harry *sees himself* as an Everyman, yes.  And he sees himself as 
an 
> outsider.  That's where JKR gets you.  Because that's how Harry 
> *feels*.  But the actual point of fact is that the WW definintely 
> sees Harry as belonging to *them* not the muggle-world.  And when 
you 
> look at what he actually experiences at school, Harry is treated 
like 
> a BMOC.  <SNIP>

Alla:

It is only your opinion Betsy. I would like to ask you to please 
respect mine enough without  implying that JKR manipulates me.  I am 
intelligent person, I promise you, I am able to figure out how I 
interpret the text by myself. Nobody is asking you to agree with me 
and vice versa, but I am interpreting text just as you are, and 
resent the idea that I cannot make up my mind without author 
manipulating me.

I mean, she is manipulating me but in a different sense that I 
understood you to imply. She manipulates me in a sense that I follow 
her story, that I enjoy it, etc, but it is not a manipulation 
really, it is a good solid writing I love.

So, NO "Harry is treated like a BMOC" is your intepretation,YOUR 
opinion and so not a fact as far as I am concerned.

BMOC is not usually treated as the most evil boy ever and I think 
Harry is treated that way when he is suspected of being Slytherin 
heir.

BMOC of WW is NOT treated the way WW treats his so called superstar, 
when smallest dirt is enough to turn on Harry and portray him as 
evil and crasy.

Nope, NOT BMOC in my mind at all.


 
> Betsy Hp:
> And the hair and the accent help show you what he stands for.  
Draco 
> is an upperclass white boy.  Which, in JKR's world, equals evil as 
> surely as a pretty girl who likes being pretty. <g>  
> 
> Draco is an underdog by virtue of being a Slytherin.  He's a 
jewish 
> boy in 1930's Germany.  A black boy in 1830's USA.  He's the 
outsider 
> and the scapegoat of his world and that gets demonstrated to him 
(and 
> us) by his being beat-down time and again.  There is not a clash 
with 
> Harry that Draco doesn't lose.  (Except for that train scene in 
HBP 
> which I loved. <g>)
> 
> The above is my opinion of course.  It's why I think these books 
are 
> evil.


Alla:

Really? Okay, mine he is a hitler youth in fascist Hermany in 1930s, 
somebody who was taught to hate jews and **others" since he was a 
kid and went happily went on to try to implement what he was taught 
when he was a kid, but when he got a taste of murder, he realised 
that he just cannot swallow it.

So, that is why I think those books are not evil among other things, 
because anything to show how wrong what he stands for is, I will 
applaud for.

As I mentioned before, I knew quite a few little antisemits in my 
youth, I hope that they all learned some lessons of how bad it is to 
hate the people just because they are of different ethnicity, but I 
am not holding my breath too much.

I am just thanking JKR for making Draco learn his lessons. 

Just my opinion,

Alla