Deaths in DH WAS: Re: Dumbledore (but more Snape)

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> va32h:
> 
> But Harry *did* go looking for someone who (he thought) was trying 
to 
> kill him.  Harry *did* go after Sirius. 

Alla:

But was he going there, **knowing** that he will go to Voldemort and 
telling him basically "take me instead"? Was he going there to 
**die** without fight? NOT to fight knowing that he may die, but 
going to die without fight.

I agree with Pippin, I think what happened in DH was indeed 
different. IMO of course.


> And Harry already had the revelation that there is a difference 
> between being "dragged into an arena and walking in with your head 
> held high"  (also quoting from memory).  Harry had that revelation 
> *in front of* Dumbledore, in HBP, and Harry understands that it's 
the 
> way his parents died.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, Harry thinks of it and it is still thought of going to fight, 
knowing that he may die, NOT to sacrifice himself without fight, no?



> > Pippin:
> > I'm sorry you're so disappointed. It's funny, some of the people 
I 
> thought
> > would really like the book are disappointed, and some of those I 
> > thought would hate it don't.
> > 
> > Me,  I loved the book, and the more it's criticized, the more 
things
> > I find in it to love. There's no lack of mourning rituals,  all 
you 
> have to
> > do is go back and read them again.<SNIP>

Alla:

Oh Pippin it is funny isn't it? Me too.



 > va32h:
<SNIP>> Dealing with Fred's death, or 
> Lupin's death would actually require some sort of effort to you 
know, 
> think about how that loss affects the other characters and how that 
> would be conveyed in the story.  But JKR just takes the easy (lazy) 
> way out yet again.  


Alla:

Lazy way out? Maybe just the way how it is supposed to work within 
the story? IMO of course. I do not know, I always thought that the 
point of multiple deaths without spending too much time on mourning 
rituals was just that - to show senselessness of multiple deaths 
during the war.

I personally **loved** how we did not get the death scenes for Lupin 
and Tonks for example. Majority of people during the war, be it 
civilians or soldiers die like that, do they not?

Meaning that they do not get to perform spectacular acts of heroism 
in a sense that everybody got to witness them.

They just die fighting heroically. 

And same with mourning rituals for me. Don't you think that if she 
should show them for Lupin and Tonks she should show them for all 50 
soldiers and civilians who fallen in the Battle of Hogwarts?

I mean, it is obvious to me that they would be properly buried and 
mourned and one scene when Harry sees them lying there made me cry 
more than long ritual would have, I think.

And often even body is not possible to find, no? Like with Sirius?


Oy, I agree with Pippin - I find more and more to love about this 
book.

JMO,

Alla