Suspension of disbelief -Idiots of War

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No: HPFGUIDX 182429

> bboyminn:
> 
> Just from memory of course -
> 
> - The Order tracked the movement of known Death Eaters.

Alla:

I understand that you said from memory, but do you mind referring me 
to the quote, please? As it is phrased, I am having a hard time 
qualifying it as doing something to help the fight. But I certainly 
forgot the quotes before and maybe this tracking indeed went to 
something useful.

bboyminn:
> - Lupin lived with the Werewolves hoping to persuade them not
> to join Voldemort.

Alla:

I was asking about them doing something in DH actually, because we 
had been told about order fighting in the first war as well. But 
okay, sure he lived with them and tried. Did it lead to something in 
DH?

bboyminn:
> - Members of the Ministry, and wizard world in general, falsified
> their relationships with muggle-borns to convince the Ministry
> that those muggle-borns indeed had magical ancestry.

Alla:

Oh? I have to ask for the quote again. Who falcified relationships 
with whom? I mean which characters? Are we talking about hearings 
lead by Umbridge. I remember something happened there, but not what 
you are describing at all. Or are you talking about something totally 
different? 

bboyminn:
> - Wizards cast spells on their muggle neighbor's homes to 
> protect them.

Alla:

That would have been a nice example, sure. But where are you getting 
this from? I remember Kingsley asking people to do it on forecast, 
but doing it? 

> - They formed an underground radio station to keep the wizard
> world informed of what was really going on. 

Alla:

Sure members of the order did.

> - This quote from the broadcast - on the likelihood of the
> death of Harry - "...it would strike a deadly blow at the 
> moral of those resisting the new regime...".

Alla:

Yes, but again where are they?

><SNIP of the examples I agree with>

bboyminn:
> - I suspect the rain in the offices of certain /new/ Ministry 
> officials was not an accident.

Alla:

you are not seriously suggesting that throwing water at the people in 
their offices counts as antiVoldemort resistance?
 <SNIP of examples I agree with>

bboyminn:
>> - When it all started going down at Hogwarts, the wizard world
> rallied and came to the fight.  

Alla:

Yes, one and only battle, sure.

 
bboyminn:
> But again remember, this is not the story of the adults. They
> inevitably remain in the background. Even Neville and the DA
> to some extent remain in the background, we hear about them
> mostly second hand or after the fact. 

Alla:

Yes I know this is not the story of the adults, what I am saying is 
that I do not see enough being done even on the background.


bboyminn:
<SNIP> 
> So, while we don't really see a lot being done, it is clear
> that something is going on in the background.


Alla:

Even though I disagree with a lot of your examples, I have to concede 
that **something** was being done **by the members of the order**. I 
do not see it as nearly enough, but yes, sure they did something.

I have not seen anything in your examples that somebody else except 
the members of the Order did something.

Oh wait, there is Xeno. He printed the truth, yes and then betrayed 
Trio. Here is one person who is not from the order.