Suspension of disbelief -Idiots of War

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No: HPFGUIDX 182439

bboyminn:

Oddly, this precisely describes what did happen and what is
happening in the wizard world. This is not a declared war
with battle grounds and front lines. This is a country at
peace being taken over from the inside.

Alla:

Not in my opinion. As I said before, while millions disappeared and 
died during Stalin terror, A LOT of people were also pretty happy 
with the regime. And if you ask those old people who are still among 
the living, thank goodness, some of them will still tell you that 
they miss Stalin and his iron hand to make the order, etc. And those 
stories about people CRYING during Stalin's funeral were not myth, 
you know. Let's see who was HAPPY about Voldemort's reign. On the top 
of my head I remember Bella and
. Bella. Fake Moody would have been 
happy I grant you that.

Malfoys sure were not picture of happiness IMO. So if nobody was 
happy in my book it makes sense for them to do staff

Bboyminn:
And since the example has come up so many times, how about
France? How about Poland? How about Germany? How about any of
the countries occupied by the Nazis in WWI and WWII?

Alla:

Yes, how about those countries occupied during WWII? Plenty of 
Russian territory was occupied by Nazis for a year or two till red 
army was able to fight back successfully and many people were 
paralyzed, helpless, sent to concentration camps, etc. But many 
people were also fighting back and yes, on occupied territories. 
Sometimes "partisans" were able to do a very significant damage, you 
know.

And even in concentration camps when death was right there and they 
probably knew most likely to come for all of them, still some people 
were fighting. Remember rebellion in Warsaw ghetto?


Pippin:
This whole argument takes the events of DH out of context. Scrimgeour
had a whole year during which the Ministry attempted to counter
Voldemort with all the resources it could command, including far more
professional dark wizard fighters than were part of the Order. It
didn't work.

Why should the Order adopt the same failed tactics?

Alla:

What failed tactics? I remember Scrimgeour desperately trying to make 
Harry work with him. As I said before I do not blame Harry for 
refusing to work with the ministry where Umbridge still works if 
nothing else, but I surely blame Dumbledore for not making sure that 
Harry knew that Scrimgeour does not have to be his enemy.

Pippin:
And really, unless you can come up with some reason why the same
people who rallied to Hogwarts at the end of DH wouldn't have listened
to the Order earlier, why assume that they weren't doing what the
wireless broadcasts suggested they should do?

Alla:

Hmm, I see your point here. I mean I would like if them doing it was 
actually shown, but I think it is a reasonable assumption to make if 
they did come to fight after listening broadcasts that they may have 
adopted something suggested.

I do not accept it as fact, but I absolutely accept it as possibility 
and the one which only requires one step inference. Nice job Pippin 

JMO,

Alla