Suspension of disbelief -Idiots of War

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182446

zanooda:

It was not just a suggestion. Here are the exact Kingsley's words in
that broadcast: "... we continue to hear truly inspirational stories
of wizards and witches risking their own safety to protect Muggle
friends and neighbors, often without the Muggles' knowledge" (p.440).
Only after saying that, Kingsley appeals to the rest of the wizards to
follow this example. So wizards (at least some of them) protecting
Muggles is not a guess, it's a fact (if we are to believe Kingsley, of
course :-)).

Alla:

Thanks :-)


bboyminn:

First, one would assume you knew the books well enough to
recognize these mentions.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Oh, wow. Sorry for not living up to your expectations Steve. I 
recognized some, did not recognize some and thought some were not 
what you interpreted them to be. And then I asked for quotes, which 
is sort of a tradition on the list if one either does not remember or 
wants to challenge something.

> bboyminn:
> > - Members of the Ministry, and wizard world in general,
> > falsified their relationships with muggle-borns to convince
> > the Ministry that those muggle-borns indeed had magical
> > ancestry.
>
> Alla:
>
> Oh? I have to ask for the quote again. ...
>

bboyminn:

--- DH; CH-13, Am Ed, HB, Pg 255 ---

"Don't pretend, Runcorn," said Mr. Weasley fiercely. "You
tracked down the wizard who faked his family tree, didn't
you."


Alla:

How does this translate into "Members of the Ministry, and wizard 
world in general,
 falsified their relationships with muggle-borns to convince the 
Ministry that those muggle-borns indeed had magical ancestry"  In 
this quote I see a wizard who maybe muggleborn himself and faked his 
family tree to save himself. I surely do not see somebody in 
particular or WW in general doing it FOR HIM. 


bboyminn:
<SNIP>
How many all out battles did you want? How many of these
'all out' battles did you expect Harry to see or know about?
Since there are no standing armies, and even if there were,
they would be under the control of the Ministry, who and how
did you imagine they would fight?
<SNIP>

Alla:

Those DE maybe whose movements they are tracking? One or two besides 
the final needed for the plot, one or two to show that somebody else 
is engaging DE besides Harry and his friends, somewhere.


Bboyminn:
<SNIP>
You seem to have a very skewed view of how easily these things
can be done, and how quickly they can be done. It is easy,
from your arm chair, to say somebody should have done something,
but when it is your life on the line, or that of your family,
you would certainly be far less eager to throw those lives
away on fruitless pointless actions.

Alla:

This is a straw man. I did not ask WW to throw those lives away on 
fruitless pointless actions. I expressed my dislike of WW not doing 
anything or as I conceded doing something but not doing enough in my 
opinion while awaiting for chosen one to save them in my opinion as 
well.