Scary Voldemort? WAS : Re: Suspension of disbelief - Being dependent

[Carol]

No: HPFGUIDX 182489

Alla wrote:
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> But but your overwhelming stupidity in untying Harry instead of 
killing him in GoF is just oh so very hard to forget Voldie dear. 
Here he is, your enemy helpless in pain and scared and instead of 
finishing him off with nice quick Avada, what do you do? Oh yes, you
want to play. STUPID Voldie, Stupid. <snip>

Carol responds:

I think I understand his thinking here. he doesn't want to kill a
tied-up, helpless, wandless Harry, which anyone could do (I'm ignoring
the shared drop of blood an all that here since LV has no idea what
he's done or that Harry has a soul bit in him). He wants to show that
Harry is not some worthy rival, not the "one with the power," just an
ordinary schoolboy with a scar, and the only way to do that is in what
Voldie considers a fair fight, a by-the-rules duel, which will once
and for all demonstrate his superiority to Harry, who will also be
killed. Voldie has no doubt that he'll win; he just wants to play with
his prey, Bella-like, and erase all doubts in the DE's minds that the
boy who once (through no power or action or thought of his own)
vaporized Voldie might do it again. (Besides, we know what happened
last time with a nice, quick Avada! I don't think it would have worked
this time, either, even if Harry had been disarmed and the
brother-wand thing, which Voldie could not have anticipated, hadn't
come into play. The shared drop of blood would have kept Harry from
fully dying but there would have been no Dumbledore to meet him at
King's Cross. Voldie probably would only have killed his own Horcrux.)

Regardless of what would have happened if Voldie had tried to kill a
wandless Harry, I understand the psychology behind dueling him and
showing him to be no threat to the great Lord Voldemort. More reason
for the DEs to fear and obey and respect him, more proof that he's
deathless, because the Boy Who Lived is now as dead as Cedric. Only,
of course, it didn't happen that way. (Thwarting the Prophecy doesn't
work, Tom!) But Voldie is right about one thing" Harry himself doesn't
have any extraordinary abilities other than Parseltongue and the scar
link to Voldie's mind, just a wand that won't let him kill Harry.
Harry could not have defeated Voldie in a duel if it weren't for the
brother wands. He's not Voldie's match or anywhere near it in skill or
power, and that's what Voldie was trying to show.

Alla: 
> He could not just apparate in MoM and take prophecy? I mean, with 
fight or no fight, it still seems to be to be easier operation than 
to try and  lure Harry in as well. I mean, get prophecy first, kill
Harry later? 

Carol responds:

I don't think you can Apparate directly into the Department of
Mysteries, only into the Atrium. From there, you have to take the lift
down to the ninth floor and get through that locked door (which is
being guarded around the clock by a rotating crew of Order members
under an Invisibility Cloak). 

I'm not sure, but I think that Voldie must have seen the corridor
leading to that door in someone's mind, perhaps Lucius Malfoy's. I'm
not sure why he later knows more about it since he never actually
talks to Bode, the Unspeakable who's Imperiused by Lucius Malfoy and
then murdered by a "pot plant" (Devil's Snare).

Anyway, if LV could just Apparate into the Hall of Prophecy, he'd have
done it (or sent Lucius, who has easy access to the MoM as a friend of
Fudge's, or Macnair, who's a Ministry employee) to do it before he
found that not even an Unspeakable like Bode can remove the Prophecy
from the shelf.

How Voldie knew (and conveyed to Harry, first accidentally through
dreams and then deliberately) what the Hall of Prophecy actually
looked like and which row it was in (97, IIRC), I don't know. But even
if he could get into the MoM without being seen (Poly-juiced Voldie?
Voldie in an Invisibility Cloak, which the DEs don't seem to have once
barty Jr. is soul-sucked?), I don't think that he could have gotten
through that door. Alohomora isn't going to work.

Which also raises the question of how he got into the MoM on the night
that Mr. Weasley was attacked and how he got Nagini there. Maybe
Lucius took him there via the Visitor's Entrance and Stupefied or
Confunded the Security Wizard, but how did they get Nagini in? **Dark
Magic,** I suppose. But, still, he couldn't get through the door (and
after Nagini bit Mr. Weasley, he had to make a hasty retreat).

Carol, hoping to find answers to some of these questions in her
five-hundredth rereading of OoP (Sorry--I've been overexposed to
hyperbole via the HP books: hands the size of dustbin lids,
handkerchiefs the size of tablecloths, and all that)