Harry's DADA skill was Re: Albus and Gellert/Voldemort's Power
Carol
justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 28 15:36:33 UTC 2008
No: HPFGUIDX 182692
> > > Carol, who doesn't understand your objection to her argument
since you agree that the Boggart sucks Harry's happiness as
effectively as a real Dementor without placing his soul in jeopardy
Beatrice apologized:
> First, it pains me to list the above response, but I do owe you an
apology Carol. I misread your signature on the above post and
responded with a rude post. Please accept my sincere apology. This
is not an excuse, but I read the end of your post under odd
circumstances and responded to it under those same conditions and I
hope you know that even as we disagree (and we frequently do) that I
respect your opinions and enjoy the ensuing discussions. <snip>
Carol responds:
Thank you, Beatrice. I really didn't appreciate being compared to
Umbridge, or having you cast yourself in the role of Snape to chide me
for some imagined offense. (I'm a Snape supporter. It's like using the
HBP's curses on Snape. <smile>) And your reaction to my wholly
innocuous sig line was, forgive my saying so, simply incomprehensible.
I understand now, and I not only accept your apology but apologize in
turn for overreacting.
All I meant by my sig line was, "Since you agree with me that the
Boggart!Dementor was an effective substitute for a real one, could you
please explain where you disagree with me?" I was, and am, genuinely
confused on that point. I've tried to clarify that I am not
disparaging Harry. I think it's a good thing that he trained on a real
Boggart rather than merely learning to cast a Patronus, or he'd most
likely have lost his soul at the end of PoA.
> >Alla:
>
> >I am not Beatrice, but since I find Carol's argument about Boggart
>quite weak myself, I am going to try and explain why and maybe my
>reasoning is the same as Beatrice or maybe not.
><snip>
> >So this is the part of the argument I find ridiculous - how exactly
the fact that Harry casts it upon the Boggart!Dementor somehow
downplays his accomplishment.
Carol responds:
I also don't much appreciate having my canon-supported argument
described as "ridiculous" by a List Elf, of all people. Disagreement
and counterarguments are one thing; but disparaging someone's
carefully expressed and canon-supported arguments is another.
However, the "ridiculous" argument is one I never made. I am not in
any way downplaying Harry's accomplishment. I am saying that
practicing on the nearest thing to a real Dementor gave Harry a very
realistic experience that enabled him to deal with a real Dementor
more effectively. He knew what it felt like to have his happiness
sucked out, and he found the strength or courage or whatever it was
within himself to sustain the happy memory required to cast a Patronus
in the face of a highly realistic Boggart Dementor trying to suck out
that happiness. Had he not had the good luck to have such a Boggart to
train on, he would not, IMO, have been able to cast the Patronus that
saved him and Sirius and probably Hermione as well.
Carol, casting her own Riddikulus spell and bowing out of this
"Riddikulus" argument
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