ChapDisc: DH 18, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore

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No: HPFGUIDX 182745

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> Alla:
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> See this part I do not get at all. It is not like plan gets to
> Voldemort by accident. Dumbledore deliberately, I repeat
deliberately tells Snape to **deliver information**. What does
Dumbledore think Voldemort will do with it if not attack?

Pippin:
Dumbledore thinks Voldemort will send his DE's to intercept Harry, but
they will be foiled by the polyjuice -- they won't know which one is
the real Harry so it won't be safe to attack any of them. He thinks
that Voldemort ought to have learned from Ollivander that Harry's wand
has absorbed Voldemort's magic and can defend itself from him. The
last thing Voldie should have wanted was to give Harry another
opportunity to outduel him in front of his DE's.

Alla:

I still think I am missing something in your logical chain. SO 
Dumbledore does understand that Voldemort  is going to attack Harry 
and his guard, yes? We agree on that. What we do disagree on is that 
you argue that Dumbledore is sure that Voldemort will be fooled by 
his clever plan and I doubt that very much.

But but surely Dumbledore cannot be hundred percent sure that 
Voldemort will indeed be fooled by his clever plan? Sooooo, my 
question is why the heck to RISK that? Why INVITE Voldemort's attack?

What need was there to just hand the damaging information in? I just 
do not see it, I have no idea how Dumbledore's actions are defensible 
here. What purpose was there to give the info in the first place?

And, eh, as a total aside, based on Voldemort's intense desire to 
outduel Harry in GoF, I would say he would be even more persistent in 
doing take 2. Not that it is very important for my argument one way 
or another.

Alla:
> And heee, you are saying Voldemort would have hunted for 
information?
> SURE, but why make it easy on him? Maybe he would have gotten it
> maybe not, but that would not be because White bearded man or his
> portrait betrayed the information to Voldemort.
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Pippin:
In all canon, only a few people are able to keep Voldemort from
finding out something he wanted to know: Albus Dumbledore, Severus
Snape, and the Trio. Dumbledore knows this, therefore he knows that
any secret known to someone outside that group is vulnerable.

It is like Snape outing Lupin, IMO: there was no longer any reasonable
hope of keeping the secret -- not long enough to make a difference.


Alla:

So, if there is a possibility that Voldemort MAY find out,let's 
INVITE him and BE SURE that he will find out? I do not get it.

And I really do not want to debate Snape's outing Lupin secret, you 
know that this is one of the moments that makes me want to strangle 
Snape with my hands, BUT for the limited purposes of this argument, I 
will say that in comparison, absolutely Lupin's secret had LESS 
chances to stay a secret than this one IMO. Please note that I do NOT 
concede that Lupin's secret had no chances to stay a secret, but I 
can certainly see larger **possibility** how it may have been in the 
open. Not that I think that this makes Snape's actions justifiable in 
any way.

But here, no chance to stay a secret, why? Why? Again Voldemort had a 
chance to find out, maybe, sure, but why make it EASIER for him to 
find out?

No, sorry, I can see no legit purpose for Dumbledore to give out this 
secret, or to be precise for him to order Snape to give it out.

JMO,
Alla