CHAPDISC: DH25, Shell Cottage

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 11 19:57:51 UTC 2008


No: HPFGUIDX 184039

> Pippin:
> If Draco's actions are  understood as the unique result of his
> individual personality and experiences, which are explored in some
> depth during the story, then I must assume that other Slytherins 
would
> not -- could not --  make the same choices that Draco made. I don't
> need to know them to know that they couldn't possibly have the exact
> same personality or experiences as Draco. 

Alla:

I think that it is a very big **if** that Draco's actions are 
understood as unique result of his individual personality and 
experiences. But I am not claiming that all Slytherins have the same 
personality and experiences, of course not. I am claiming that all 
current Slytherins believe that purebloods rule and I am basing it 
based on the only representative of younger generation of Slytherins 
that I met and got to know at some sort of depth. We do not know a 
lot of things about even Draco Malfoy that would make me think that I 
know him as a whole person, that leads me to believe that of course 
those other experiences that are hidden from eyes could be different 
for other Slytherins.

But yeah, I am convinced that what we saw is the similar pattern for 
majority of Slytherins and that hopefully they experienced some 
change at the end.

Again, I think that this was absolutely deliberately, I think for JKR 
Malfoy is the face of younger Slytherins. IMO of course.

When I read War and Peace, I will never make an assumption for 
example that all russian nobles wanted to free their serves. Do you 
know why? Because Tolstoy showed me that some of them wanted and some 
of them did not want to do it. I would NEVER make an assumption that 
all russian nobles wanted to join Massons for the same reason.

But I will make an assumption that pretty much all russian nobles 
wanted to fight Napoleon. Do you know why? Because I do not remember 
reading about anybody who did not want to do that.

And same with Potterverse. I think that if JKR wanted me to make an 
assumption that not all Slytherins believe in pureblood rule, she 
would have showed me one. She showed me that not all of them wanted 
Voldemort to rule, sure.

Pippin:
> It's the same with the goblins. Though we don't meet them, Bill 
knows
> goblins that he likes and respects, and cannot help thinking of as 
his
> friends. Griphook is obviously not interested in that kind of
> relationship with humans.

Alla:

But where do you get likes and respects part? My interpretation of 
his conversation with Harry was certainly that he does not hate 
Goblins, but I have not noticed particular liking from Bill. I guess 
that is open to interpretation. Regardless for me it is not enough. I 
am again thinking back to SS/PS and being so fascinated by Goblins in 
the bank that I wanted so badly to learn more about it. And here we 
go - Griphook came along.

 
> Alla:
> 
>  She showed us older  Slytherins doing much better things, true, but
> within the students?  Who? 
> 
> Pippin:
> No one in the books distinguishes between this generation of
> Slytherins and previous ones. That such a distinction is relevant is
> pure fanon, IMO.

Alla:

Huh? The only distinction I am making is that I do not see any 
student from Slytherin house whom I can respect more than Draco 
Malfoy. You are not disputing the distinction that neither Snape, nor 
Regulus, nor Slughorn are NOT current students? That's all I am 
saying. I think that is canon, the distinction I am making.

JMO,

Alla





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