CHAPDISC: DH26, Gringotts

[zanooda2]

No: HPFGUIDX 184083

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Beatrice23" <beatrice23 at ...> wrote:

> 4. Why does Ollivander make Luna and Luna alone a new wand?


zanooda:
While he was at Bill and Fleur's, Ollivander was too weak to do
anything. He spent only a week or so at Aunt Muriel's, iirc, and I
guess he only had enough time to make a wand for himself and for Luna.
Also, as others wrote, he needed some time to procure the materials.

BTW, I don't understand LV's attitude towards Ollivander. What was the
need to keep the old man in a dark damp cellar, in rugs? I understand
why Olly was kidnapped, but he is a very valuable prisoner (he is the
 only person in Britain who can make wands!) - why treat him this way?
If he died in the cellar, as I'm sure he nearly did, who would provide
wands?


> 10. There has been a lot of debate about Harry's use of unforgivable
> curses.  Here we have the first time he uses one as he performs the
> Imperius Curse on Bogrod and Travers.  Why doesn't he confound them
> as he does the security guard?  Is it really necessary to use this
> curse?  Is this more effective than a Confundus Charm? 


zanooda:

I'm not sure that the Confundus Charm would have worked in that
situation. I've read through the books about the use of the CC. It
seems  to cause an extreme confusion (and sometimes physical
disorientation, like in McLaggen's case :-)). 

However, to use this confusion to his advantage, the caster needs to
talk to the victim to convince him to act according to the caster's
wishes. For example, the Gringotts guards didn't know they are not
supposed to search Hermione/Bella until she told them that they
already did it. Snape also had to talk to Confunded Mundungus. 

It's not like the Imperius Curse, where the caster's order is
transmitted directly from the caster's head to the victim's head :-).
HRH didn't expect that the goblins knew about Bella's wand being
stolen, so they didn't discuss their tactics in this case. If Harry
Confunded Bogrod, Hermione wouldn't have known what to do.

In order for the CC to work, Hermione needed to say something like
"But I have a new wand made!", and then the Confunded Bogrod would
have said "Yes, you are right, I can see it now". But, as you
remember, Hermione wasn't ready for this turn of events and continued
to insist that she had her (Bella's) old wand even after the
Imperiused goblin said it was new. If HRH agreed beforehand on the use
of the CC, *then* it could have worked.


> 13. Griphook is accepted without question into the hoard of
> approaching goblins.  What do you make of this?


zanooda:

Maybe the goblins (except for Griphook) didn't know that the sword in
the vault was fake, so they might have assumed that Griphook grabbed
it from the vault to save it from the intruders :-).