Sirius and Snape parallels again - Sirius' death (LONG) Posted by: "jkoney6

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> Carol responds:
> 
> Funny, even before I read that last sentence, I thought of Sirius
> Black tempting Severus Snape with the bait of what he would see if 
he
> got past the Whomping Willow, manipulating another person through 
his
> weaknesses for his own ends (in sirius's case, amusement at 
Severus's
> terror and humiliation--not to mention indifference to any harm that
> might come to him, including death. Yes, Sirius was sixteen years 
old,
> but he, too, was manipulating someone to do something dangerous to
> that person for his own ends. If we condemn Dumbledore for
> manipulating people, we should also condemn Sirius, with the only
> ameliorating factor being Sirius's immaturity. Of course, it's not
> quite as bad as Diary!Tom baiting a trap for Harry with Ginny, cut
> only because Diary!Tom intended to murder Harry himself with the
> Basilisk as his weapon rather than exposing the tempted person to 
the
> risk of death at another's hand (or teeth).
> 
> Carol, who doesn't know what to think of JKR's "good" characters 
any more
>


Alla:

Funny I did too thought of that argument lol. However just as I do 
not condemn Dumbledore for manipulating Harry into sacrificing 
himself, by the same token I do not condemn Sirius for doing what he 
did to Snape. 

I think Harry chose it all on his own, just as Snape did.

Of course I disagree that if we condemn Dumbledore, we **should** 
condemn Sirius. I really really do not have to apply what I think of 
one character to another, especially if I do not think that the 
analogy is exact.

However the reason I am replying is that I indeed see SOME analogy in 
Dumbledore giving Harry the information and Sirius giving the 
information to Snape. But I totally think they both chose on their 
own.

The part where I absolutely blame Dumbledore is what he did to Harry 
before, without showing him that sometimes  living is harder than 
dying. Sigh.

JMO,

Alla