Whom did Dumbledore torture and kill?

Angel Lima angellima at xtra.co.nz
Sat Feb 2 00:14:09 UTC 2008


No: HPFGUIDX 181211

Carol responds:

Oh, those ambiguous pronouns. I have the same problem. And, BTW, I did
think you meant Snape.

However, I think we should assign Wormtail, who betrayed the Potters
to their deaths, a share of the blame at least equal to Snape's,
especially since Snape regretted revealing the Prophecy because it
endangered Lily and went to Dumbledore for help, vowing to do
"anything" to protect not only Lily but her hated husband and her child.

So we have Voldemort as actual murderer, who surely should get at
least 50 percent of the blame; Wormtail as betrayer, without whose
revealing of the secret Voldemort could not have committed the murder
getting maybe 25 percent; Snape, whose revelation of the Prophecy
caused Voldemort to want to thwart it at maybe 20 percent; with
Sirius's brilliant idea to switch Secret Keepers getting maybe 5
percent of the blame. True, he didn't intend any harm--quite the
opposite--but Wormtail's betrayal could not have happened without the
SK switch. Where DD fits into the picture, I'm not sure, unless it's
borrowing and not returning the Invisibility Cloak. He did, after all,
suggest the Fidelius Charm and offer himself as SK, and if the Potters
had accepted his offer, Voldemort would have been thwarted. (And there
would have been no Chosen One and no story, but that's beside the point).

Carol, not expecting anyone to accept her percentages but thinking
it's important to include Wormtail in the list of people to be blamed
(and wondering why DD is being included in the list)

Angel:
Bwaaaaaaah!  I am now confused myself Carol <g> I don't think anyone said Dumbledore was responsible for the deaths of James and Lily Potter, at least I did not unless I stumbled on some English synonym for Lily and James previously unacknowledged on my part :D  I do however see him responsible even if only at 5% by your reasoning, for the deaths of others :).

Aside from that, your reasoning reads logically but I tend to think it more difficult than that.

For example I would split Snape and Voldemort at 50% each.  

Reason:
Voldemort did the actual killing and Snape provided him with a target. Snape PROVIDED Voldemort aka assasin with an END, a reason, an aim etc!!!  Which counts for at least 50% in my book as intention is almost everything.  Snape started the ball rolling whereas Voldemort was previously happy to kill almost at random <eg>

Wormtail, however despicable, was only one of the means to the end that Snape provided and Voldemort accomplished er failed to accomplish.  In other words Wormtail would never have proved the rat he was if Snape had not first set the trail of dominoes rolling, which to my utterly scrambled white matter, means Snape is still far more responsible for the deaths of the Potters (J&L) than spineless Wormtail.

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