Mistakes made in Deathly Hallows? The Elder Wand

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 181479

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Zara" <zgirnius at ...> wrote:
>
> > Jayne:
> > Going on the point made above, how did Draco become the master
> > of the wand? When he was with DD on the roof prior to DD death
> > in HBP, he didn't defeat DD. He used  Expelliarmus as DD got to
> > the roof and the wand fell down. No where in cannon dores it
> > mention that Draco picked it up. Are we to presume this ?
 
zgirnius:
> It is my opinion that the very act of disarming a wizard is a defeat of 
> that wizard. Draco did not need to pick up the wand to have already won 
> its loyalty, he did when he removed it from Dumbledore's possession.

Geoff:
I couldn't agree more. The very fact that the wand had been removed 
forcibly from Dumbledore set that up.

zgirnius:
> Likewise Harry defeated Draco by disarming him (using brute physical 
> force, but still, disarming him). He also did not take physical 
> possession of the Elder Wand at the time, but it transferred its 
> allegiance nonetheless becaue iot recoignized a defeat of its former 
> master Draco, by Harry.

Geoff:
Obviously. smeody at some point n time, rescued the wand and 
placed it with Dumbledore's body, hence Harry could not take 
possession of it but, as you say, the wand recognised the transfer 
of authority from Draco to Harry.

zgirnius: 
> Voldemort, on the other hand, took physical possession of the wand, but 
> failed to win its allegiance. To do so, he would have needed to defeat 
> its master (at the point Voldemort claimed the wand, that was already 
> Harry).

Geoff:
Again, agreed. there was no defeat involved in Voldemort desecrating 
the tomb to gain the wand.  He had presumably assumed by this time 
that Snape had killed Dumbledore and was thus the master and the 
next item listed under "things to do" on Voldemort's agenda to be
 ticked off.