[HPforGrownups] Re: Apparating to Grimmauld Place

[Sharon Hayes]

No: HPFGUIDX 181590


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--- Sharon Hayes <s.hayes at ...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering how Hermione managed to bring Yaxley ...
> from the MOM back to Grimmauld Place when she Apparated them
> after they retrieved Slytherin's locket from Umbridge. The
> reason I ask is that GP is under a Fidelius Charm and Yaxley
> didn't know the address. Shouldn't he have been bounced off
> or something. In canon it had never been the case you could
> just take someone there by holding their arm, or Apparating
> them, say, from the park across the road to the front doorstep.
> They ALWAYS had to be given a slip of paper with the address
> on it before they could see the building and enter it.
>
> Just curious,
> Sharon
>

bboyminn:

I don't think the Fidelius is an impenetrable wall; I think
it simply hides things. So, no bouncing off if you don't
know the secret. Yaxley was, in a sense, told the secret by
being brought to the Black House by Hermione. I think if
Hermione were not allowed to reveal the secret, she would
not have been allowed to apparate inside the boundary of
the Charm. <snip>

However, in DH, the knowers of the Secret are now authorized
to tell. Consequently, I think they could guide someone
over the threshold. For example, if Neville or Luna wanted
in, but at the same time, Harry did not want to reveal the
secret, he could guide them blindfolded into and out of the
Black House without any conflict.

Of course, if he wanted them to know about the House, he
could just tell them.

Also, we see Dumbledore reveal the Black House to Harry by
note, but that is certainly not the one and only means. I
suspect for most of the others, Dumbledore simply told them.

Sharon again:
So, Harry has to find out by note because Dumbledore couldn't tell him in person.  That makes sense.  But from what you've said above, does that mean that Hermione (or any of the order members, who automatically became secret keepers after Dumbledore died) could take someone to Grimmauld Place without telling them the address.  If that's the case, then it makes sense that Yaxley would be able to get in once he reached the doorstep.  But here's my problem now:  If you aren't told the address somehow, either by message or voice, then once you leave the premises, you shouldn't be able to find it again by yourself, right?  Which means that Yaxley may have been able to get in, but once he left he wouldn't be able to bring back other Death Eaters because he wasn't given the secret.  So the trio could have gone back eventually, after establishing that Yaxley had left, becuase there's no way he could get back in again. Unless, as you say, they would have to be blindfolded so they couldn't see the front of the house on arrival.  That seems a bit thin to me though. Yaxley would see the house number on the door maybe, but he wouldn't know what street he was on. Once he left the building he might, but then he would have forgotten it already because he hadn't been told the full address.

And on a similar note, I still don't see why Harry couldn't summon Kreacher. Kreacher just appears wherever Harry is when he calls him.  It's not like he would drag Death eaters along with him.  Those purebloods would never touch a house elf I am sure. So I just don't see the problem with called Kreacher either.