PS/SS chapters 6-11 post DH look

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No: HPFGUIDX 180995

> Mike:
> Yes! I agree, and always thought that intent is a major part of 
> magic. We now know that apparition requires a like thought 
process. 
> My personal feeling on Dark Magic is that intent counts for alot
> there, too.

Alla:

Oh yeah I am just saying that at least here she indicated that 
intent counts and for that reason we can at least extrapolate IMO 
that in other instances it counts as well. I would not mind her 
specifying in some other places though.




> > Alla:
> > 
> > I don't know about anybody else, but I am really impressed with 
> > Harry's ability to think and put two and two together here. 
Heee, 
> > Hermione would be so proud. But anyways, to me it foreshadowed
> > that sometimes when he puts himself to it, he could figure out 
> > stuff, not just act without thinking. :)
> 
> Mike:
> I'd forgotten about this clever bit of deductive reasoning. It was 
a 
> shame that it abandoned him in OotP when he saw the Sirius vision. 
At 
> least he seemed to get it back by DH.

Alla:

Right, of course it abandoned him and I'd say more that once. I am 
just saying that this early in the series we see that Harry can 
think when he applies himself to it and when in DH he starts putting 
things together finally it is not out of the blue, it is because he 
applies himself to it and of course because books come to an end, 
LOL.

I am just impressed that she gave us that early the example of Harry 
thinking before acting.


Mike: 
> I wanted to add that in these chapters we got our first Sorting 
Hat 
> song. I noted there was nothing about blood, only cunning 
mentioned 
> with regard to Slytherin qualities. Still, it wasn't a very 
> flattering picture painted of the Slyth's with the "use any means 
> [t]o achieve their ends".

Alla:

Blood appears in OOP song, right?

Alla
> I know it is reference to Qudditch, but I cannot help but remember
> that Harry as a secret weapon motive goes through OOP and cannot
> help but read this line with it in mind as well.


Potioncat:
Harry had already been kept secret for nearly 11 years. As well
having secrets kept from him. The layers of secrets in this series
is astounding.

Thanks Alla for this look back at SS/PS!


Alla:

Secrets on top of the secrets on top of the secrets and on top of 
the secrets indeed and as Zara mentioned Harry is still a secret 
weapon in DH. But when I read lines like this I am DYING to be in 
JKR's head. I so want to know if she wrote this line with double 
meaning in mind or it simply reads this way to me.

Oh, and believe me I am enjoying looking back myself soooo much.


Geoff:
Interesting, Alla, the different interpretations we can put on
something like this. I have always read this as meaning that
Harry is 'new' to the school - i.e. a new pupil and nothing more
sinister or hidden than that.

But I, like Winnie-the-Pooh, am a bear of little brain and far too
often take bits in books at face value. I would never make a Holmes
or a Columbo....
:-)


Alla:

LOLOLOL. I am imagining you as Winnnie- the Pooh and laughing so 
much. But that's how I always read this line as well and now I am 
just probably imagining things myself.

Zanooda:
<SNIP>
Anyway, I just wanted to say that, even though F&G already had the 
Map
when they were in their third year (Harry's first), it's possible 
that
they didn't figure out how to activate it yet, especially if they
stole it at the end of their first year, because the conversation you
are referring to happened at the very beginning of their third year.
Just one possible explanation :-).

Alla:

Thanks for reminding me that they got the map in their first year. 
Mike brought JKR's explanation that they were figuring out different 
combinations and finally found right one? But oh boy, that some 
specific mind set needed to come up with those words, heheh. I guess 
Fred and George are suited for it.


Alla