Whom did Dumbledore torture and killed? WAS: Re: re:Scrimgeour/Werew

[Angel Lima]

No: HPFGUIDX 181065

A blast from the past.  The new year upon us is the perfect opportunity for new habits.  REPLYing would be one of those.   Alla, please forgive the tardy reply, I only just found this lol, hopefully  you need not gauge the dungeons of memory too far to remember lol

Angel:
And while we're on the subject...Dumbledore killed others too not just Severus, maybe not as many as Voldemort, maybe not as directly and cruelly as Voldemort, but kill as effectively as Voldemort - yes. 

Alla:
For the purpose of this question I am really not interested in 
hearing 
whom Dumbledore **maybe** killed, whom people **think** Dumbledore 
killed, etc.
I read the above statement as absolute statement of fact. I mean, 
this 
statement did not have any - I think Dumbledore killed, or 
Dumbledore 
maybe killed, or it is my opinion that Dumbledore killed, right?

So I take it you know for a fact that Dumbledore killed people. I 
really want to know whom Dumbledore killed for a **fact**. 


Angel:
Take your pick.

Murders
Ariana, Sirius, Gryndel, Severus, (the owl), Moody...etc...

Physical injuries
the trio - PS, etc, etc, Katie in HBP, Ron in HBP, Rosmerta in HBP, etc...

As I said earlier he may not have pointed his wand at these people and shot green flames but by his manipulations he was as much responsible for their demise as the actual doer of the killings. 

Truth be told my statement was a throwaway lol.  But now that I think of it, Dumbledore fuelled the dissidence between the houses. It is a matter of which thread one chooses to follow and how to interpret the web. My current mood with HP leads me to Dumbledore being responsible for these hurts, aches and pains as well as murders by his manipulation - both his actions and inactions.  The episode in the cave (HBP) where he pleads to let others go in exchange for him ... their suffering being his fault... etc was explained away by Harry in DH as Albus referring to the fight which caused Ariana's death.  In retrospect, I strongly doubt it.  He was responsible for much more.

Dumbledore was against anyone using Harry as long as they weren't Albus Dumbledore.  Why he and Scrimmy couldn't work together on a plan to deter the uprising I cannot comprehend except that Dumbledore would have had to share his perch.  He had no qualms about putting Harry or anyone else in danger as long as he vetted the dangers because he alone knew best.

At Sirius' death Dumbledore admitted he was at fault, for making Harry believe there was ever a reason to go to the MoM.  Had Harry known what Voldemort was after, not one of them would have gone there, yet in the subsequent books Dumbledore reveled still in secrecy and the dangerous notion of infallibility.

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