PS/SS chapters 16/17 - post DH look

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No: HPFGUIDX 181116

Bex:
<SNIP>
You have your opinions and I have mine, and that being said, we 
should
get on just fine.

Alla:

LOL. Mind if I ask you couple questions about yours? 

Bex:
I think that DD knew Voldemort had infiltrated Hogwarts. By the end 
of
the year, he probably knew it was Quirrell. The main reasons I think
this are:
<SNIP of the first two reasons go UPTHREAD to read them>

Alla:

Um, I think he knew as well and I think the most obvious hint is 
when we hear him telling Snape to keep an eye on Quirrell in 
Prince's memory. But my 
question to you is do you believe that this excludes the possibility 
of Dumbledore testing Harry anyways?

Honestly and truly there are topics where I am not going to change 
my opinion and there are topics where I would LOVE to be convinced 
and this is the one where my eyes and ears are opened. Could you 
please convince me that Dumbledore did not want Trio to do it? 
Please keep reading for my reasons why I think he did.

Bex:
3. All of the parts of the gauntlet from the Third floor corridor can
be handled by a group of eleven year olds. <BIG SNIP>


Alla:

You just gave a very nice explanation of how it can be handled by 
group of eleven years old and that means that Dumbledore did not 
mean for them to do it? I would say the opposite.

Bex:
So the gauntlet was just to slow the intruder down - not stop him. 
The
mirror was expected to keep the stone safe and keep the intruder 
busy.
DD slipped away, on a broom as opposed to the Floo or Apparition, to
give Quirrell plenty of time to make his move.

Alla:

Ah. But maybe he did not intend to slip away and intended to be in 
school and for trio to handle corridor and then come by and helped 
them deal with Quirrel?

Bex:
DD never intended for Harry to head down there. That's why 
DD "hurtled
to the third floor" after meeting Ron and Hermione - if he had
intended for Harry to tackle this quest, I doubt that he would have
used such a slow method of transportation to handle that "important
business" he was called to.

Alla:

Right so here are my questions. Why would he give Harry invisibility 
cloak with the note just in case if he did not intend for them to go 
there? Why, why would he tell Harry how to work the Mirror of Erised 
if he wanted for Harry to have nothing to do with it?

Why in that conversation that I cited upthread he would say " so you 
did do thing properly?"  Isn't that pretty much – you did the test I 
set up for you?

Oh, and how would you explain that Harry's speech about "he wanted 
to give me a chance"? I mean, I always read it as JKR's speaking 
about what happened and DD's motivations.

Bex:
(I would love to call JK on this - not that her interviews are
incredibly reliable, but I would love to know which way she wanted
this to go. My 2 cents, anyway.)

Alla:

Me too.

Alla:
> Oh and if we are talking about Dumbledore killing people, I would
> probably say that he came the closest in mind to killing Flannels,
> still not very directly, but this "having a little chat" does sound
> quite chilling to me.
>

Bex:
Flannels? He killed some lumberjacks' shirts?

Sorry - couldn't resist. :)

Alla: LOL

Bex:

I'm not so sure that it was so sinister. It's possible, of course,
that DD was trying to convince Nick and Perenelle (how would you make
that into a nickname? Perny? Penny, maybe?) for years that they 
should
move on to "the next great adventure" and he finally succeeded, by
showing Nick what a dangerous weapon the Stone could be. I'm sure it
was a bit morbid, but sinister might be stretching it a bit. I almost
wonder if DD may have convinced the Flamels to keep the stone around 
a
bit longer as Voldybait. DD didn't think Voldemort had died in GH in
'81, and what could possibly be more tempting than a form of eternal
life to the man who fears death above all things? Riddle would
certainly have known about the Flamels in his quest to immortality.


Alla:

Um, he basically convinced two human beings that they NEED to die. 
IMO it is very sinister, not to mention manipulative, but that's 
nothing new to me.

I mean, can you show me ONE healthy human being that wants to die? I 
am not talking about not being afraid to die. Many people are not 
afraid of death, but I am yet to meet one healthy person who 
expressed a desire to die. IMO Flamel's age shows that he had no 
desire to die whatsoever, not yet IMO. And I am not even talking 
about immortality, his wife is with him, so it is not like he does 
not have anybody to share long life with. He invented the stone , 
right? And here comes Dumbledore and says – OOPS, you lived enough, 
stone must be destroyed.  I don't know, sounds sinister to me.


> Alla:
> That's all folks :) See you from inside CoS. Can you guess which
> topic I most likely will not touch? ;)

Bex:
Oh, gee - does it bow, squeak, abuse itself, and fling Malfoys down
staircases? ;)


Alla:

LOLOLOLOL