student!Snape keeping Lupin's secret (was Re: Sirius as a dog)

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No: HPFGUIDX 181120

> Leah: Yes, he clearly suspected Lupin's lycanthropy before the 
> Prank, which makes it odd that he goes down the tunnel.  As 
> Potioncat says, we need more information about the Prank.  

Alla:

Yes, Potioncat and myself are in agreement on that for the longest 
time. Oy, maybe she puts it in encyclopedia at least. I know I would 
take any piece of backstory about more background on prank.


Lea:
But your 
> view must imply that Snape knew prior to entering the tunnel that 
> Sirius was intending to kill/turn him, but that Snape believed he 
> could best Lupin and failed.

Alla:

Um, no I am not a subscriber to Sirius trying to kill him definitely 
not. In fact, I was a subscriber of Sirius being a reckless idiot 
for the longest time, but I have no problem believing that Sirius 
who played with werewolf every month lost the adequate  evaluation 
of the danger. But now all that I am subscribing to is that Sirius 
talked too much. I thought maybe we will learn that Sirius FORCED 
Snape somehow to go to the tunnel, maybe he would told him that Lily 
was there or something. Nothing to the effect - Sirius just told 
Snape how to pass through that door. Should he have done so? No. But 
besides that, nobody forced Snape to go to that tunnel as far as we 
know.

Lea:
>We know from Lupin in POA that all 
> Snae saw was a glimpse of Lupin at the end of the tunnel. There 
was 
> absolutely no failed attempt by Snape to defeat Lupin.  Snape 
> doesn't say to Harry, "I could have taken Lupin on, but your dad 
> prevented me'. Instead, Snape is enraged years afterwards because 
he 
> has been unexpectedly exposed to death by Sirius. (And if Snape is 
a 
> DADA expert, he would know how difficult it is to defeat a 
werewolf) 

Alla:

 Yes, for the longest time I was also thinking that he honestly 
believed that he was exposed to death by Sirius, whether that was 
the intention or not.

I am not anymore. As to whether Snape wanted to take on Lupin, well 
considering the fact that I believe that he knew what Remus was AND 
went there anyways, um, what else should I believe?

I mean before book 6 I only suspected that he at least had an idea - 
there was that essay that he assigned, etc, after book 7 I am pretty 
sure.

Does that make sense to you? I mean, I loved that speculation that 
he wanted to kill Lupin, but even if he did not, he KNEW and he WENT 
THERE.

If he did not want to take Lupin on, why did he go then? Maybe he 
wanted to take a look at transformed werewolf, who knows, but there 
is no way I would blame anybody else for that.



  
>Leah: 
<SNIP> 
>It may be also (though 
> this is pure assumption) that Snape is checking for any reactions 
to 
> the potion.  In any event, Lupin does not object.      


Alla:

I thought he enjoyed having a power over Lupin and of course in 
front of Harry Lupin would not object IMO.


> 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Sure he was keeping quiet. If Dumbledore extracted a promise 
back 
> > then, I think he could do it later as well.
> 
> Leah: But why would Snape keep his word to Dumbledore during 
Snape's 
> Death Eater period, when Dumbledore has no power over him, other 
> than that Snape believes in keeping his word?

Alla:

Oh, even though I believe that Snape's life was defined by his 
grudge and his love for Lily, even I do not think that he was 
thinking about Lupin 24/7. His DE ONLY period was pretty short, 
wasn't it? Couple years at most, maybe a bit more than that if he 
was recruited at school?

And then it is back to Dumbledore, where yes I doubt he would have 
dared to tell Lupin's secret under Dumbledore's nose till Lupin gave 
him a lovely opening.


But as I said, even such Snape's hater as I am, I am forced to give 
him a credit for saving Lupin at the end. And that is defying 
Dumbledore nothing less.

I believe it shows to me that at the end he finally let his grudge 
go in favor of saving people, whether he believed those people 
wronged him or not. But to me the whole point of that lovely moment 
is to show growth on Snape's behalf, not that he was like this all 
the time of his life. Again IMO, I am not asking anybody to agree 
with me and know that many people view Snape's whole life in much 
noble view than I do  :)

Alla