student!Snape keeping Lupin's secret (was Re: Sirius as a dog)

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No: HPFGUIDX 181161

zgirnius:
> > I do not know about "us" but I think that they certainly 
attacked 
> > Snape individially and not individually, just as Snape attacked 
> them 
> > individually or not.
> 
> zgirnius:
> Except there is all the canon Leah and I cited showing 'not 
> individual' attacks by the Marauders, on Snape and on others.

Alla:

I am sorry what "all the canon" on this issue?  Obviously there is 
pensieve scene and you brought up the detention about James and 
Sirius hexing that other student and....? What else? I am sorry if 
missed another canon that was cited :(

Zara:
 There 
> is not so much as a whisper that Snape's Slytherin gang ever 
involved 
> itself in the Snape/Marauders conflict. They existed, sure, and we 
> now have confirmation some of them were likely even in Snape's 
year. 
> They did evil things to Mary McDonald, possibly even using a spell 
> Severus invented for them. (I think, to answer Montavilla's 
question, 
> this would be a way for a 'little oddball' to buy some sort of 
> acceptance by a gang). But no one ever said they together with 
Snape, 
> ever did anything to one or several Marauders. This asymmetry in 
what 
> we are told and shown, suggests to me  we are supposed to believe 
> there was a corresponding asymmetry in these characters' behavior 
> towards one another.


Alla:

I do not think that since we saw them not doing anything in the 
pensieve scene, the only extrapolation is that they never did 
anything ever.

As you said, they existed, they did evil things. Snape run with him. 
So they did not interfere in pensieve scene, maybe because they were 
not nearby. Could it be that they never interfered in Snape's 
dealings with Marauders? Sure it could, I just find it unlikely.


> 
>  > Alla:
> > Um, that can be the reaction of people who are afraid that Snape 
> > will get up and start hexing them with Sectusemptra left and 
right, 
> > no?
> 
> zgirnius:
> That's a mighty timid reaction to a guy who has already been 
> disarmed. And as has been mentioned, it seems unlikely that, 
having 
> formed such an expectation in the minds of his fellow students, 
> Severus would still be around at school.


Alla:

Eh, why? You have examples of people who were expelled by having a 
reputation of incredibly good at hexing people? In my mind that does 
not translate in teachers knowing it necessarily AND even if they 
did, it does not translate in expulsion IMO.

Malfoy was not expelled for all his things, wasn't he?  We know that 
those Slithering all became DE, you think they did not do bad things 
to other people, forget about Marauders? You mentioned Mary 
McDonald, was anybody expelled for doing whatever was done to her, 
whatever it was we agree that it was evil?


Montavilla47: 
Retaliation could come later. But, if they were present at the time, 
and they should have been (unless all ill in the hospital), 
retaliation
is due immediately.

Otherwise your gang is lame.

Alla:

I just do not see how they "should have been present at the time" is 
necessarily true. Maybe they did not want to talk to Snape that 
particular day, maybe pensive did not concentrate on what was 
happening to them – whether they were ill in the hospital or not, 
you know?

Montavilla47: 
(raises hand) I do! I don't have much to back it up with, but
I think that Malfoy probably did take Severus under his wing.

Malfoy had the right qualities for high-status in Slytherin.
He was pureblood, he was rich, he was well-connected. With
his patronage, Severus would have probably have been
seen by the Marauders as running with a "gang" of older
students.

Alla:

So, if you believe that Malfoy took Snape under his wing, which I 
definitely believe as well, you think that he showed his patronage 
selectively or something?

You do not think that Malfoy would have done whatever it takes to 
show to those Marauders don't you dare messing with my Severus? 

I mean, I am sure Marauders did not back up, but do you doubt that 
Malfoy indeed would have taken a stand whether we see it in Pensieve 
scene or not?

MOntavilla47:
It's an odd thing, but when Sirius talks about Snape
running with a Slytherin gang, he talks about it with a
kind of distance. As though he didn't have much to do
with Snape at that point.

Alla:

I do not read any distance in that phrase. But could you clarify 
please – who did not have anything to do with Snape at that point – 
Sirius or Malfoy?

Montavilla47:
Had it been gang against gang, I think he would have
mentioned that. But it's not really evidence, is it, what
Sirius the dog animagi *didn't* say in the cave?

Alla:

I do not remember Sirius mentioning anything of the Pensieve scene 
in the cave either, so no I do not find it odd that he would not 
have mentioned it had it been gang against the gang. But for the 
record, I do not think it was gang against gang all the time. What I 
am disagreeing with is that Snape was consistently bullied by 
Marauders without any sort of retaliation from his side.

What I am disagreeing with is the stance that Snape was being 
constant 
victim there. I know many people take that stand, I definitely do 
not. But I sure agree that there were could have been times when he 
was as in pensieve scene, I just think that there were times when 
they were getting back at Marauders and good, whether it was 
individual hexing of James or something else.

JMO,

Alla