Muggles v wizards redux

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No: HPFGUIDX 183249

Magpie:
I know I would be treated badly simply because I cannot do magic.
That's explicit in the books. At best I'd be thought of 
condescendingly
and people would disapprove if someone tormented me too much when they
didn't think I'd deserved it, but that's about it.

Alla:

See, I do not believe that it is explicit in the books. I mean, sure 
condescention towards muggles as a group IMO is explicit, but hurting 
muggles, tormenting them **just because they cannot do magic**, I do 
not think so.

Because whatever example of what I think constitutes rude treatment 
of muggles ( I am not talking about DE, only about what good guys do) 
I only remember being done to bad people, who just **happen to be 
muggles**. It is of course valid interpretation that muggles are 
mistreated because they are muggles only, but I do not think that it 
is true for good guys.

Therefore no, I do not think I will be treated badly simply because I 
cannot do magic. I may get Arthur's attitude, sure, which I may want 
to slap him and explain a few things, but beyond that? Unless I 
decide to raise and actively mistreat a wizard child I do not think 
that wizards will want to hurt me. My opinion of course.

And actually I think that maybe some improvements in the 
condescention area are to follow. After all Ron passes a driving 
test, so maybe they will learn some muggle ways and figure that 
muggles are not as stupid as wizards think.

Magpie:
 Even Muggles who as
far as we know are perfectly nice people get treated badly, and 
they're
spoken of dismissively as a group. Even if it's Muggles you'd think
they'd respect and like they can't respect them as much as Wizards.



Alla:

Who are those perfectly nice people who get treated badly? Again I am 
not talking about DE mistreating muggles, I want to know which 
perfectly nice people are being tormented by good guys? And again, I 
happily concede that good guys are condescending and patronizing 
towards muggles as a group, I just think that this is not enough in 
my book to condemn them for it. This is something I hope that they 
will learn to not do eventually.


Magpie:
I remembered the word I was looking for btw--it's "Wainscot fantasy." 
A
fantasy that takes place in our primary reality but suggests there's a
secret, hidden society within it.

<SNIP>


Alla:

Very interesting. I never heard it before. Thanks.