Slytherins are bad (was:Re: Severus as friend)

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No: HPFGUIDX 183394

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Actually I never could conclude that. Prejudging - sure in a 
sense, 
> but 
> > to me it makes a huge difference what they were prejudging upon. 
> > Theoretically person can work upon becoming braver, even it is 
all in 
> > one's mind to convince oneself how to hide the fear, etc.
> > 
> > And the person more than theoretically CAN work on improving 
their 
> > performance in school. And that I know not from theory and it 
works.
>  
> Hickengruendler:
> 
> While that's true, if these kids decided to become braver or want 
to 
> learn more at age 12, it would be too late for them to ever go to 
> Hogwarts. Therefore, yes, I consider the behaviour of Gryffindor 
and 
> Ravenclaw pretty flawed as well. 

Alla:

Flawed behavior in a sense that they wanted to teach in their house 
only students with certain characteristics? Sure, of course and I 
would never dispute that.

But I maintain that their preselection criteria was not nearly as bad 
as Slytherin's was.

I am not sure how do you deduce that if student decides to be smarter 
at the age of 12, in a sense to work harder, etc, it will be to late 
for her to go to Ravenclaw.

After all, as Magpie said it is magic and if Hat can look at all 
those characteristics that we know she looks at to sort, she cannot 
also look at student's determination to work harder for intellectual 
achievements and sort to Ravenclaw on the basis of what student is 
going to make of herself.

Does it make sense to you?

But let me say again, of course I am not disputing that they wanted 
to teach certain students, it is just I believe that their criteria 
is not set in stone as harshly as Slytherin's was in a sense that 
that criteria could be changed by the person at least to certain 
extent and what Slytherin wanted from students could not be changed 
at all.

Somebody (Pippin?) also mentioned that IQ cannot be changed. Well, 
sure, it cannot be, but I do not remember that criteria for sorting 
Ravenclaws is spelled out as high IQ, if it was, I would absolutely 
agree that it is as bad as Slytherin's.

But Ravenclaws are sorted for intellect, are they not? Have no book 
with me and I believe it can be intepreted as high academical 
achievement. And I found out that the saying  that talent is 99% work 
and only 1% of gift has a lot of truth in  it.

You certainly cannot become genius if you are not one, but you can 
achieve A LOT with hard work, a whole lot IMO.

I sincerely doubt that Hat would have sorted me in Ravenclaw judging 
on my first year grades in lawschool, tee hee. Now if she would able 
to look in the future and see my third year transcripts, yep I think 
she may have changed her mind.

Hickengruendler:
>Nonetheless, I don't recall either of 
> them hiding a monster inside Hogwarts to kill everyone who ist 
cowardly 
> or stupid.


Alla:

Agreed and I also do not recall either one of them saying that 
students who are cowardly or stupid should not be admitted to school, 
only to their respective houses.

JMO,

Alla