GoF CH 13-16 Post DH look

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 181816

> GoF:
> "Indeed, whenever Harry saw the two of them together - at 
mealtimes, 
> or when they passed  in the corridors - he had the distinct 
> impression that Snape was avoiding Moody's eye, whether magical or 
> normal" - p.210
 
> Alla:
> In light of Snape being loyal to the light, I suddenly realized 
that 
> I am not quite sure why would he be avoiding Moody's eye if he has 
no 
> clue that Moody is a Fake one here.
> 
> I mean, if he thinks Moody is the real Moody, why would he care 
much 
> if Moody does not trust him, no scratch that, why would he worry 
much 
> as long as he knows that Dumbledore trusts him?
> 
> Now, if he suspects that Moody maybe Fake, Snape avoiding him makes 
> sense, I guess, but he does not suspect, his surprise at the end 
> seems to be real.

zgirnius:
Not sure what to snip, and I will probably respond to all of it 
anyway...First, was he surprised at the end that Moody was dodgy in 
any way, or that Moody was the (supposedly) deceased Barty Crouch, 
Jr.? We have discussed in the past that after having ihs warnings 
brushed aside, and then being proved somewhat wrong in the previous 
year, Snape may have wanted to have more than vague suspicions of yet 
another loyal Order member to take to Dumbledore. All of which put 
together could explain being cautious around "Moody" AND not 
expressing any suspicions, and still being surprised in the end.

Second, in Ch. 13-16, GoF, did Snape really know that Dumbledore 
trusts him? Or was this a matter regarding which he could have been 
in some doubt? In "The Egg and the Eye" (jumping ahead) he angrily 
asserts Dumbledore trusts him. This could be a bluff. It could also 
reflect a change from the start of GoF: that later chapter is after 
the Yule Ball and thus after the "we sort too soon" conversation 
of "The Prince's Tale", in which Dumbledore sounds Snape out about 
his intentions in light of Voldemort's impending return, and seem 
impressed with Snape's resolve to resume his spying.

Third, if DD trusts both Moody and Snape, and Snape trusts DD's 
judgment of Moody, but Moody does not trust *Snape* and Snape knows 
it...Snape might be avoiding confrontation. Moody is supposed to be 
there to help keep an eye on things during the TWT, and having him 
waste lots of time on Snape is counterproductive.

> GoF:
> "We'll try that again, Potter and the rest of you, pay attention - 
> watch his eyes, that's where you see it - very good, Potter very 
good 
> indeed! They'll have trouble controlling you" - p.232

> Alla:
> I need a refresher again. I do remember discussions about why Fake 
> Moody taught Harry how to fight Imperius. I remember not very 
> convincing to me argument that he wanted to see that somebody can 
> control a curse he could not, but if he is actively trying to give 
> Harry to his master, why would he do it?

zgirnius:
My answer...why not? Voldemort does not need to successfully cast 
Imperius on Harry. He's going to kill him, not suborn him. And there 
may be Bella-like reasoning occuring as well - surely Harry cannot 
resist the Imperius of VOLDEMORT, the most powerful Dark Wizard that 
ever lived...