Re: Bagman – A Death Eater or Not? – You (Generic) Decide (GoF CH 7-9 Post DH lo

[hp_fan_2008]

No: HPFGUIDX 181819

Goddlefrood:
> When Bagman says "Damn them!" in the passage quoted below <Quiddich
World Cup>, he is  referring to his fellow muggle-baiting Death
Eaters. I am of the view that he was upset because either he was
missing the fun, or he did not wish attention to be drawn to his Dark
Lord's return until the time was right, knowing as he did about the
events that had been set in motion for Voldemort's return.

HP Fan 2008:

I don't believe that, at this point, anyone but Wormtail and LV knew
the plan.

Goddlefrood:

> Bagman actually arrives where the Ministry wizards have just 
stunned Winky and Barty Jnr. and we are told:
> 
> `Comprehension dawned suddenly on Bagman's round, shiny face; he
looked up at the skull, down at Winky and then at Mr. Crouch. "No!" he
said. "Winky? Conjure the Dark Mark? She wouldn't know how! She'd need
a wand for a start!"' 
> 
> (GOF Chapter Nine – The Dark Mark, page 119)
> 
> From this I take it that LB knows how to conjure the Dark Mark and
it is suggestive of his knowing the ways of the Death Eaters and
probably that he is one.

HP Fan 2008:

And it seems to me like one of those things that might be obvious.

Goddlefrood:

> Much later in the book, and without wishing to pre-empt Alla in any
way, Voldemort in the graveyard when speaking to Lucius Malfoy says
something quite unusual, it is on page 564 of Chapter Thirty Three –
The Death Eaters:
> 
> "And yet you ran from my Mark, when a faithful Death Eater sent it
into the sky last summer?" 
 "Yes, I know all about that, Lucius 
 you
have disappointed me 
 I expect more faithful service in future."
> 
> How did Voldemort know that Lucius ran from the Dark Mark? I suggest
that LB informed him at some point because LB himself joined the
muggle-baiting Death Eaters. He only rejoined the Ministry wizards
quite some time after they had arrived at the scene of the crime of
conjuring the Mark. He would know that the Death Eaters dispersed when
the Mark was seen in that circumstance.

HP Fan 2008:

More likely that Barty Crouch Jr. told Voldemort. He was aware of what
was going on at the time.

Goddlefrood:

> Throughout the Triwizard Tournament Bagman tries to assist Harry so
noticeably that even the usually unobservant Harry wonders why he is
not trying to assist the other champions. Bagman would do this not
only to get some gold, but also because he wants Harry to win and go
to Voldemort.

HP Fan 2008:

Who would have told him? Barty Crouch Jr. dislikes those dark wizards
who had turned their backs on Voldemort after his first downfall; were
Bagman a death eater, Barty Crouch Jr. would have undoubtedly
mistrusted him. Bagman would have known no more than other former
death eaters, who wanted Harry to lose.
 
Goddlefrood:

> He also disappears before the Death eaters congregate, as George
tells us in Chapter 37 (The Beginning) on page 635 of the Bloomsbury
hardback edition:
> 
> "So Bagman had to run for it. Right after the third task." 
> 
> This would give him time to get outside the Hogwarts grounds and
Apparate to the Little Hangleton graveyard with the other Death
Eaters. Misdirection is given in that George speculates that Bagman
ran because of the Goblins, whereas it is equally plausible that he
did not want to miss his master's return.

HP Fan 2008:

This may be, but it probably came to him as a surprise. If he knew
more, he probably would have tried to have someone take his place,
just as Barty Crouch Sr had done (or so everyone thought).

Goddlefrood:

> Rita further says on page 392 "I know things about Ludo Bagman that
would make your hair curl
".
> 
> Surely this could not only be referring to his being a dupe in
passing information to Rookwood. There must be far more to it than
that and it adds further support to the conclusion that LB is a Death
Eater.

HP Fan 2008:

Actually, I think that this refers to his gambling habits.


             HP Fan 2008