GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182119

> Pippin:
> The Dark Mark seems to have been a secret guarded by Dumbledore as
> well as Voldemort, in order to preserve Snape's cover.

Alla:

Right, of course - **from the people who know nothing about Snape's 
past**, no?

Pippin:
 But I'm sure
> that  there is more to uncovering a hidden dark mark than pushing up
> someone's sleeve. I doubt that casual examination by a non-Death 
Eater
> would  reveal it if the DE didn't want to be known. Draco may not 
have
> had that ability, but then, Voldemort wanted him  caught.

Alla:

Huh? You are saying that if non DE looks at DE's forearm, he would 
not see anything? You mean mark will become invisible when non DE 
looks at it?

How come people who were with Snape could see the mark then in GoF?
 
Pippin:
> There seem to have been no marked DE's taken alive prior to Godric's
> Hollow, and afterwards the mark may have faded so much that it
> couldn't be identified with any certainty. In any case, the marked 
who
> pleaded innocent said they were enchanted, not that they'd never 
been
> DE's.
> 
> Despite what Hermione thinks, the presence or absence of a Dark Mark
> would not prove anything. Voldemort is perfectly capable of  marking
> innocent people or those controlled by Imperius, and of not marking
> people in a position to be exposed. We don't know, for example, when
> Peter got his mark. It might have been after he revealed the 
location
> of the Potters and his double agent role was coming to an end.  

Alla:

You lost me here, I am afraid. I do not understand what Hermione 
thinks about the absense or presence of the mark has to do with 
Sirius' knowing about the mark.

What I am saying is this. I guess, Nazi's would be the best analogy 
after all.

To me, it is like saying that person is perfectly aware of what Nazis 
are and what they did, but had no clue about swasticas. I mean, not 
perfect analogy, but you get what I mean.

Sirius KNOWS who DE are, what they do and he has no clue about their 
main sign. Makes no sense to me, I am afraid.


 
> Pippin:
> I think Dumbledore decides whom Dumbledore is going to see, don't 
you? 
> Snape was messing Harry about, for sure, but even if Dumbledore had
> gotten there in time it would only have been a brief reprieve.
 
> Fake!Moody would never have allowed his father to reach Dumbledore
> without some kind of trouble. If he feared he was  about to be
> exposed, he'd have nothing to lose by killing Harry.  

Alla:

Eh, sure Dumbledore decides whom Dumbledore is going to see if 
Dumbledore **knows** who is here to see him. I do not see that 
Dumbledore knew that at all.

It surely may have been a brief reprieve, my point is that thanks to 
Snape as I wrote to Mila, we will never know that for sure.

There may have been one percent chance to save Barty Sr. Surely you 
would not argue that it is an absolute fact that he could not be 
saved?

My point is that it is possible that Snape robbed him even of that 
tiny chance. Why? Oh, because he hated Harry that much and takes 
every possibility to show him that in my opinion.

JMO,

Alla