GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry and Gargoyles

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 182156

> Alla:
> Snape is a bat after all? He has that astute hearing? But okay, 
after 
> all I cannot prove or disprove that, so let's assume he does.

zgirnius:
He steps through the door just as Harry stops shouting and takes off 
down the hall, this hardly requires unusual hearing. However, it is a 
nonessential point. In the event he is actually half deaf, a 
supposition I cannot disprove, I guess Harry's running down the 
hallway might equally be an indication to Snape that something is 
afoot.

> Alla:
> And sure, Snape wants to know. I would remind him Dumbledore's 
modus 
> operandi of need to know basis or putting his eggs in different 
> baskets or something like that, so maybe he should have worked on 
> curbing his natural curiosity, but that's neither here no there. 

zgirnius:
LOL, Snape is a spy. Not to mention that, in order to keep the boy 
out of trouble, he needs to know what trouble the boy is getting into.

> Alla:
> As soon as you refer me to the canon where Snape is appointed the 
> guardian of Dumbledore FROM HARRY of all people, I will agree that 
> this is Snape's business.

zgirnius:
He is not the guardian FROM HARRY, he is *a* guardian OF HARRY. 
Dumbledore has delegated the protection of Harry to Snape in the 
past, and I would like to see the canon that he changed his mind. If 
Dumbledore is busy, why should Snape not deal with a matter which is 
well within his competence to handle? Just as Minerva can tell Harry 
to wait another day, rather than sending an Owl back to the Ministry, 
Flooing there herself, etc, when she discovers that the matter is not 
serious (in her opinion).

> Alla:
> Yeah, the only missing part is who told Snape to be such a judge? 

zgirnius:
Albus, when he hired Snape to be a teacher and Head of House at 
Hogwarts, and when he asked for Snape's help in protecting Harry 
specifically.

> Alla:
> Because what if Snape deems that Harry is not worthy to see 
> Dumbledore at all here?

zgirnius:
Then we have a different story in which Snape heads out to the Forest 
himself with Harry, and discovers what Albus found. Though I am 
inclined to believe that if Harry had produced a cogent description 
of a man coming out from under the Imperius Curse, Snape would have 
decided Albus would want to be there.

> Alla:
> And of course there is another missing part IMO. So Snape deemed 
> Harry's emergency worthy for Dumbledore to look at, how again he 
> communicates to Dumbledore that he can come out?

zgirnius:
Snape knows the password, of course. If he does not, then he is 
completely powerless in the situation, and I don't see what we are 
arguing about.

> Alla:
> You know, yes, I would have agreed with you, except I can't for the 
> simple reason that Minerva IMO is not aware how important Harry is 
to 
> Dumbledore, Snape is and to me that makes all the difference and of 
> course she tells Trio the truth, Dumbledore is not there, she is 
not 
> playing with them.

zgirnius:
She doesn't? And Snape does? Why, exactly? 

I mean, we have canon of Dumbledore asking for Snape's assistance, 
for Snape to protect Harry, and Snape agreeing. I don't see anywhere 
Albus telling Snape before PS/SS that Harry is the key to the War 
Effort - he does not need to tell Snape anything of the sort, because 
Snape finds his own personal reasons for this action sufficiently 
compelling.

Minerva does seem to realize Harry is important, long before he ever 
comes to school. She seems surprised Albus entrusted Harry to Rubeus, 
rather than handling the matter himself. She also, for some reason, 
wastes a whole day hanging about for news of him in a Muggle 
neighborhood.

And of course, I believe Snape was telling the truth. Albus is busy - 
he has many demands on his time.