GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 182204


> Alla:
> 
> 
> Again, I dispute the no one escaped Voldemort for long part. Several 
> order members did at least till the end of Second war and Yeah, I 
> think that is quite a worthy years that they could have lived IMO.

Pippin:

I know you're  re-reading in order, but when you get to it, look at
Moody's photo again (OOP 9)

*All* the  Order fighters who survived the first war had been killed
or taken by the end of DH: Frank and Alice Longbottom, Sirius Black,
Sturgis Podmore, Emmeline Vance, Albus Dumbledore, Mad-eye Moody,
Remus Lupin and Rubeus Hagrid.  Elphias Doge and Daedalus Diggle were
never taken, but as far as we know, they didn't fight. Aberforth and
Mundungus made rather a point of not fighting <g>. 



Alla:
> The thing is there did not HAVE TO be one specific person to die to 
> bring Voldemort down IMO, but for Snape's acting. And I did not mean 
> that I did not want Lily and James to fight of course. I did not
want  them to die that stupidly, again not that I mind the manners of
their  death, I just mind that Snape took it upon himself to decide.


Pippin:


Your argument, if I restate it correctly, was that Snape ruined
Harry's chances for a happy life by making sure that Harry would be an
orphan. But I submit that it was James and Lily who took it on
themselves to decide. Not that they are to blame for their own deaths,
but like Lupin they decided that it would be worth dying to give their
offspring a chance to live in a world without Voldemort. If the
prophecy had not forced them into hiding to protect Harry, they might
have died like so many others. To say that they didn't already have a
target painted on them is, IMO, absurd. I'm not trying to absolve
Snape of moral responsibility for what he did, just point out that the
prophecy didn't materially affect the Potters' chances of survival. 

It certainly seems that contrary to Lupin's reassurances in OOP,
Voldemort resumed killing Order members at his usual rate, which is
why I say that Dumbledore also would have died all the sooner if
Voldemort hadn't gone to GH, and if Snape's love had not given Lily
the power to save Harry and deprive Voldemort of his powers. 

Now, if he had not made horcruxes, Voldemort would have died then, and
Harry, though orphaned, could have been placed with a loving family
and grown up as happily as Teddy Lupin. No guarantees of course, but I
think that would have done a lot more for Harry than if Snape had,
say, been obliviated before he could deliver the prophecy but nothing
else had changed.  

Pippin