GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182205

> > Alla:
> > 
> > 
> > Again, I dispute the no one escaped Voldemort for long part. 
Several 
> > order members did at least till the end of Second war and Yeah, I 
> > think that is quite a worthy years that they could have lived IMO.
> 
> Pippin:
> 
> I know you're  re-reading in order, but when you get to it, look at
> Moody's photo again (OOP 9)
> 
> *All* the  Order fighters who survived the first war had been killed
> or taken by the end of DH: Frank and Alice Longbottom, Sirius Black,
> Sturgis Podmore, Emmeline Vance, Albus Dumbledore, Mad-eye Moody,
> Remus Lupin and Rubeus Hagrid.  Elphias Doge and Daedalus Diggle 
were
> never taken, but as far as we know, they didn't fight. Aberforth and
> Mundungus made rather a point of not fighting <g>. 


Alla:

Looking very hard for canon where Rubeus Hagrid is dead and still 
cannot find it LOL. But sure I know that the majority of order 
members died, but as I said in that very sentence that several order 
members escaped at least till the end of Second war and Lupin died at 
the very end. Surely it would have been worth that if Lily and James 
lived till that long at least? And who is to say that just as Hagrid 
they would not have survived? 

And I am trying to figure out how Aberworth was not fighting by 
helping kids.

And of course we have Weasleys who were not in the Order in the first 
war, but is in the order now and they also survived. So, no, I see 
absolutely possibility that Lily and James at least would have 
survived till JKR felt a need to kill off the older generation for 
the most part at the end, or maybe survived as Hagrid and Molly and 
Arthur.


> Pippin:
> 
> 
> Your argument, if I restate it correctly, was that Snape ruined
> Harry's chances for a happy life by making sure that Harry would be 
an
> orphan.

Alla:

Yep, ruined very much is my opinion. 

Pippin:
 But I submit that it was James and Lily who took it on
> themselves to decide. Not that they are to blame for their own 
deaths,
> but like Lupin they decided that it would be worth dying to give 
their
> offspring a chance to live in a world without Voldemort. If the
> prophecy had not forced them into hiding to protect Harry, they 
might
> have died like so many others. To say that they didn't already have 
a
> target painted on them is, IMO, absurd. I'm not trying to absolve
> Snape of moral responsibility for what he did, just point out that 
the
> prophecy didn't materially affect the Potters' chances of survival. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

And to me to say that prophecy did not materially affect Potters' 
chance of survival IS absurd and indeed absolving Snape of moral 
responsibility. IMO of course.

Without prophecy they were **of course** just as in much danger as 
any order member. With prophecy they are the parents of the Chosen 
one, the one who can destroy Voldemort. Hmmm, I know which people I 
would be hunting the first and foremost if I were the evil overlord.

I have not noticed that Voldemort would CARE at all about any other 
order members as the ones who pose a special danger to him. I mean, 
he wanted to kill them sure as the fighters for other site.

But did he **fear** anybody else except prophecy couple and their 
baby and of course Albus Dumbledore?

Not as far as I remember.


JMO,

Alla