GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182247

Carol:
<SNIP>
So I agree with you that Snape changed everything. I just don't agree
that he robbed Harry of a happy, normal life. A happy, normal life
simply was not possible in the wartorn WW that would have been
unavoidable had Voldemort not been hit by a rebounding AK at Godric's
Hollow.


Alla:

Life during the war can still be happy life in my opinion, even if it 
is not care free completely happy life. Voldemort started his reign 
when marauders were still in school and from little we know they 
managed to have happy normal life with their parents, unless their 
parents were like Sirius' mom, but that has no relevance to the 
discussed topic.

Now, of course war is war and if one is living close to the war zone 
for example or serving in the army one feels it directly, but  eh, 
one's life is not necessarily defined by war  even if one's country 
is at war, and yes, I submit that happy or relatively happy life is 
possible even during the war. I see that for example in my relatives 
in Israel, they live far from war zone, they do not have family 
members in the army yet and they do not feel the war at all ( or at 
least that's what they told us last time we spoke). I mean, they read 
newspapers and read the names of the victims of course.

But for better or for worse, war does not really touch them much you 
know. 

Carol:
<SNIP>
Not one of those people
was killed because of the Prophecy. They were killed because the Order
members were being targeted. the Potters were being targeted for the
same reason. And had it not been for the Prophecy (and Snape's going
to DD for help), they would not have had the protection of the
Fidelius Charm (breached because of sirius Black's bad advice and
Peter Pettigrew's perfidy).

Alla:

Oh, I see, so are you suggesting that Snape telling the prophecy is a 
GOOD thing now that increased Potters chances for survival? No, 
seriously, I do not want to develop straw man, but what you just 
argued reads to me exactly as I described.

I snipped the people who were killed because they were order members, 
but I also brought the names alive order members. I submit that 
telling the prophecy was what tipped the scales and made Potters 
**primary targets**. They IMO would not have needed that extra 
protection and secret keeper or not, would have at least a chance to 
live.

Carol:
<SNIP>
And how the war could have been won
and Voldie defeated without Voldie creating his own nemesis, I don't
know. Dumbledore could not have done it, and if he couldn't, who
could? <SNIP>

Alla:

Dumbledore could not do it, is not a fact to me at all, but only 
speculation. I so do not want to jump to HBP now, but I will take a 
look and find it if nobody could.

I am under very strong impression that Dumbledore CAN speaks 
Parseltongue from HBP. I aso seem to remember that Ron was able to 
mimic Parseltongue words, no? Or are there other reasons you suggest 
that Dumbledore could not do it? Because the fact that he did not do 
it, does not suggest to me that he could not.

So, yeah, I think somebody could do it, I really do not think that it 
matters who. IMO.


Carol:
<SNIP>

The Prophecy would have to have been fulfilled in some other
way, perhaps with an adult Harry, but how he could have acquired
special powers and a soul bit without Lily's sacrifice, which depends
on Snape's request to spare her, I don't know. it seems to me that
events transpired in the only way they could have don to create "the
one with the power to defeat the Dark Lord." <SNIP>


Alla:

Isn't divination a very imprecise branch of magic? Isn't it possible 
that prophecy did not have to come true at all and somebody would 
have just discovered how to destroy horcruxes and that's it.


JMO,

Alla