GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182269

Julie now:
Sorry you're speechless but I clearly outlined my reasons
(now snipped, but repeated by others) why Harry and the WW
would have suffered a terrible fate at Voldemort's takeover,
and why I deduced from the text that takeover was all but
inevitable. And while *terrible* fate might be a bit strong,
but at least in the prophecy-revealed-by-Snape world Harry
does ultimately achieve a happy life. No such likelihood in
a LV-controlled world, methinks.


Alla:

Oh don't be sorry. I find the argument that nothing would have 
changed for Harry if Snape would not have revealed the prophecy to be 
silly that's all. Sorry, I am not even sure if this is your argument 
anymore, since I am answering several people, because I do not find 
Voldemort's takeover inevitable. And I think that *terrible* fate 
with alive parents could be anything but. You are arguing that it 
necessarily will be Voldemort's takeover world, I am not. I am 
accepting the likelihood of course, but definitely not an absolute 
certainty.


Julie:
<SNIP>
I know! IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR SNAPE it wouldn't have happened.

Alla:

Simple, yes?

Julie:
He may have "started" it from a certain POV though one could
argue that Merope started it by tricking Tom Sr, or that
Dumbledore started it by not reining in the obvious psychopath
student when he had the chance, or by taking a hands-off
approach to students which allowed them to be influenced by
parents and peers without so much as a single word of
encouragement toward a better path from the leader of the
Good Guys. One could go on and on.

Alla:

Oh, only from certain POV? Who started it from another POV?

Who was closer than Snape to the chain that started all that? Thanks 
to whom Potters needed a secret keeper.

Julie:
But of all of them, only Peter never ONCE acted for the
good of someone besides himself, and never repented his
evil actions. And the same holds for him as for anyone
involved; the Potters were safe and could have remained
in hiding at least until Voldy won the war and beyond (if
that would have been acceptable to them)IF IT HADN'T
BEEN FOR PETER. If, say, he'd kept his mouth shut, or
someone had accidentally cut off his head or something ;-)

Alla:

Snape's action was the one that caused the possibility of Peter being 
a secret keeper. Again, to me it is very simple. Whether you think 
Sirius' plan was good or bad and I happened to think that it was 
quite a good plan, there would be no need for such plan or for Secret 
keeper ever.
But of course Peter was a traitor and  he could have caused a lot of 
harm to somebody else in another place that goes without saying.




Julie, thinking Snape has a lot to feel guilty for but
is still a far better person and far more deserving of
redemption than Peter will ever be.


Alla:

Okay, Snape gets a brownie. He is a less horrible person than Peter. 
That so does not say much to me about Snape as good person.


I wish to apologize since I am going to try and start removing myself 
from the thread, when I feel that I am repeating myself in every 
second post, it is time for me to start doing that.

The removal may of course last for couple days LOL.