Did Harry Notice?

[zanooda2]

No: HPFGUIDX 182949

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Beatrice23" <beatrice23 at ...> wrote:

> The German woman did not stand in front of her children.


zanooda:

Yes she did! She "tried to shield them with her arms" (p.233 Am.ed.).
Isn't it the same thing? She didn't offer herself instead of her
children though, because she just had no idea what was going on.  


> Beatrice wrote:
 
> This in a way becomes a contract between the two of them.  LV takes 
> accepts the terms of her verbal / magical contract.  Lily sacrifices 
> herself on the understanding or on the assumption that LV will kill 
> her and spare her son (although we could argue that Lily has no 
> reason to believe that he will do such a thing.)  LV's undoing is 
> that Lily's act of sacrifice protects her son from harm.  Harry does 
> the same thing in DH.  He states the terms before LV AK's him in the 
> forest.  Harry declares that he will willingly die to protect all 
> those fighting at Hogwarts.  


zanooda:

This is true in Lily's case, but not in Harry's. There was no
conversation between Harry and LV in the forest. The only words Harry
said before LV "killed" him were "you weren't", when LV admitted that
he was mistaken (about Harry coming). There was no conversation and no
contract. The words you are referring to ("I was ready to die ..."
etc.) were said later, in "The Flaw in the Plan", during Harry and
LV's last confrontation.