Did Harry Notice?

[Beatrice23]

No: HPFGUIDX 182950

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> 
wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Beatrice23" <beatrice23@> 
wrote:
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> > The German woman did not stand in front of her children.
> 
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> zanooda:
> 
> Yes she did! She "tried to shield them with her arms" (p.233 
Am.ed.).
> Isn't it the same thing? She didn't offer herself instead of her
> children though, because she just had no idea what was going on.  
> 
> 
> > Beatrice wrote:
>  
> > This in a way becomes a contract between the two of them.  LV 
takes 
> > accepts the terms of her verbal / magical contract.  Lily 
sacrifices 
> > herself on the understanding or on the assumption that LV will 
kill 
> > her and spare her son (although we could argue that Lily has no 
> > reason to believe that he will do such a thing.)  LV's undoing 
is 
> > that Lily's act of sacrifice protects her son from harm.  Harry 
does 
> > the same thing in DH.  He states the terms before LV AK's him in 
the 
> > forest.  Harry declares that he will willingly die to protect 
all 
> > those fighting at Hogwarts.  
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> This is true in Lily's case, but not in Harry's. There was no
> conversation between Harry and LV in the forest. The only words 
Harry
> said before LV "killed" him were "you weren't", when LV admitted 
that
> he was mistaken (about Harry coming). There was no conversation 
and no
> contract. The words you are referring to ("I was ready to die ..."
> etc.) were said later, in "The Flaw in the Plan", during Harry and
> LV's last confrontation.

Beatrice: Actually, this is incorrect.  I believe that in this case 
LV does say that he will stop hurting those in the castle if Harry 
surrenders himself.  He does this counting on Harry being foolish 
enough to sacrifice himself or foolish enough to believe in LV's 
word.  Instead of Lily setting the terms, oddly it is LV who sets 
them in DH.  I would give you the quote and the page, but I am on 
vacation and I don't have my book with me ;)
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