CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 184846

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Leah: <SNIP> And she's 
> > completely taken up with the Marauder version,'James Potter saved 
> > your life...', and leaps to the defence of Potter and his mates.  
> 
> Alla:
> 
> And James Potter did not save his life?

Leah: I didn't say he didn't. Snape always thinks he was merely 
protecting his friends, though that would still be brave. What I 
meant was Lily has completely taken the Marauders version, rather 
than wanting to know, or indeed being at all interested in Snape's 
version of what happened.
    
> > Leah: He breaks curfew, granted. However, he doesn't encourage 
> > someone to betray Dumbledore's trust by leaving the Shrieking 
> Shack, 
> > he doesn't take a werewolf around local houses, having a 
few 'near 
> > misses' and he doesn't entrap someone into nearly getting killed 
or 
> > turned by a werewolf.  
> 
> Alla:
> 
> No, he only wants to find what those Gryfs are up to despite 
knowing 
> that Madame Pomfrey takes Lupin there, meaning he knows that 
teachers 
> are aware and it is clearly none of his business IMO.
> 
> Entrap someone of course meaning telling somebody how to open the 
> door somewhere that someone wanted to go long time ago, no? I 
always 
> wonder when people call what Sirius did entrapment, because in my 
> mind entraping somebody means something 
> different. He told Snape how to get there, that is all he did, 
didn't 
> he? Everything else was Snape's going there. 

Leah: The fact that the teachers know about it would make Severus 
think that whatever is down there ought to be safe ie restrained in 
some way. After all, he is pretty sure Lupin is a werewolf before the 
Prank, because Lily, who hasn't seen him since the Prank, says "I 
know your theory", so prior to the Prank, he must have told her he 
thought Lupin was a werewolf and being rebuffed by her.  The 
likelihood is that he wanted to see Lupin in wereform so he could say 
to Lily, "He is a werewolf, I've actually seen him, so keep away from 
that lot,they are dangerous" (which would be the typical view of most 
wizards).    I'm not saying Severus is wholly blamefree in all of 
this. However, it seems analagous to me to: me suspecting that a 
cylinder of deadly poison is kept in a locked room, and someone 
saying, this is how to unlock that room, and then that someone 
releasing the poison into the room. Clearly, I'm being nosy and 
putting myself at some risk just by going into the room , but that's 
not the same as someone deliberately setting out to poison me.   


> 
> 
> 
> > Leah: She's actually given up on the friendship in her own mind 
> > before the 
> > werewolf prank.  If you knew that your friend, let alone your 
best 
> > friend, had been saved from some serious danger, you might make 
> some 
> > attempt to talk to them about it. Lily clearly hasn't. Her 
comment 
> > in the 'apology' scene, 'my friends wonder...', not 'my other 
> > friends' is another indicator.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> We do not know what is on her mind. I completely disagree that she 
> gave up on friendship before that. She knows that Snape is her 
> friend, I think it would be just awkward prose to say my other 
> friends, IMO of course.
> 
Leah: In that case, why is she so uninterested in what happened to 
him when she hears Potter saved his life?  Wouldn't anyone want to 
know straightaway what had happened to their 'best friend'? She's not 
interested even while he's trying to tell her.  The start of that 
conversation, 'I thought we were meant to be friends...' also 
indicates some kind of brush off.  I think the fact that he calls 
other people 'Mudblood' and that she's clearly let him get away with 
it is another indicator that the friendship truly ended for her a 
long while before SWM.  If someone you cared about started generally 
insulting your racial group, you would either be really upset or 
really angry with them, yet Lily seems not to be bothered (unless 
Severus only started using the word between the Prank conversation 
and SWM which seems unlikely).  It's like Hermione hearing Ron call 
Colin Creevey a Mudblood and still letting him hang around with her.  

Leah