CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

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No: HPFGUIDX 184849

Leah: 
The fact that the teachers know about it would make Severus
think that whatever is down there ought to be safe ie restrained in
some way. After all, he is pretty sure Lupin is a werewolf before the
Prank, because Lily, who hasn't seen him since the Prank, says "I
know your theory", so prior to the Prank, he must have told her he
thought Lupin was a werewolf and being rebuffed by her. The
likelihood is that he wanted to see Lupin in wereform so he could say
to Lily, "He is a werewolf, I've actually seen him, so keep away from
that lot, they are dangerous" (which would be the typical view of most
wizards). I'm not saying Severus is wholly blamefree in all of
this. However, it seems analogous to me to: me suspecting that a
cylinder of deadly poison is kept in a locked room, and someone
saying, this is how to unlock that room, and then that someone
releasing the poison into the room. Clearly, I'm being nosy and
putting myself at some risk just by going into the room, but that's
not the same as someone deliberately setting out to poison me.


Alla:


I am sorry, but it seems to me that if somebody strongly suspects 
that there is a deadly poison in the room and goes there anyways, 
that person is doing so much more than just being nosy. I think that 
person clearly IMO puts their life at risk. So, yes, I absolutely 
believe that Snape bears a huge part of blame for putting his life at 
risk. Before book 7 I was so prepared to see that Sirius used some 
sort of duress in bringing him to Shack – anything, saying that Lily 
is hurt or some sort of letter from her is waiting for him, putting 
some sort of spell. Anything. 

Nothing, he did not do anything, but told Snape what Snape oh so 
wanted to know and Snape went there of his own volition. Indeed book 
7 made me think that Snape indeed knew or strongly suspected that 
Remus was a werewolf and **went there anyways**. Nope, I do not blame 
Sirius for that one bit.

I **do** blame Sirius however for being a stupid idiot who would not 
think what would happen to Remus if he bites Snape. But Snape made 
the choice to go there; Sirius did not do it for him. I see Sirius 
have on obligation to guard Remus' secret, I do not see Sirius have 
any such obligation towards Snape. Of course if Sirius would have 
used any sort of duress on Snape, I would have thought differently. 
But it is amusing for me to see how Snape going there because he 
wanted to translates to Sirius forcing him to do that (not in your 
post, just in many Prank related arguments). If I feel like being a 
thrill seeker and go out to seek a danger, it seems to me that if 
that danger bites me (pun intended), I have myself to blame first and 
foremost.


Leah:
<SNIP>
I think the fact that he calls
other people 'Mudblood' and that she's clearly let him get away with
it is another indicator that the friendship truly ended for her a
long while before SWM. If someone you cared about started generally
insulting your racial group, you would either be really upset or
really angry with them, yet Lily seems not to be bothered (unless
Severus only started using the word between the Prank conversation
and SWM which seems unlikely). It's like Hermione hearing Ron call
Colin Creevey a Mudblood and still letting him hang around with her.

Alla:

Well, sure, if she started to cool towards Snape because she heard 
him calling other people that word, I can see that, even though I am 
not convinced that she did. I mean, to me she is bothered when she 
says that he calls everybody that word. I just do not see her taking 
harsher measures, I am not explaining myself well, but to me that 
points to exact opposite of cooling off – that she saw Snape is bad 
news and hoped against all odds that he would not do it to her 
anyways. Ooops, he did. But yes, I certainly will be bothered if I 
hear my friends calling anybody what I consider to be RL equivalent 
of that word and will have words with them, absolutely. 

Oh, and just wanted to agree that Lily was interested in James during 
SWM, however that to me does not mean that she stopped thinking about 
him as arrogant toerag, nor that means to me that she decided to drop 
of Snape as a friend. I think Lily thought she was perfectly capable 
to be interested in James and have Snape as a friend, but Snape IMO 
digs his own grave.

JMO,

Alla